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Comment by Bzoeker

That effect sure is nice for affliction warlocks, it remind me to the one that drops from Priestess Delrissa from MGT.
Compare with: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34470

Btw, this item drops in WoTLK - Naxxramas 25

Comment by Soulfly

Don't forget about your friendly shadow priests as well!

Comment by Nykylai

Unlike Timbal's however it is not limited to locks and spriests. Since it has crit instead of spellpower, this will probably also be a trinket of choice for deep unholy deathknights. Who use an assortment of disease based dots.

It is nice to see there are still trinkets which are still very heavily itemised for shadow casters (though this is not to say fire mages and boomkins etc wont get some use out of it, just that a shadow user will have first choice in raids for this trinket).

Comment by danroe

Don't forget of your dear fire mages... Ignite and DOT form fireball / pyroblast can proc this spell

Comment by pizzamandhx

I know this is going to upset a lot of folks; but I'm going to do it anyway: assuming a poison counts as a "dot" I'm going to call this a hunter trinket. The crit rating alone amounts to a huge amount of dps added, and with both SV and MM specs relying on Serpent Sting, this item will greatly contribute to our damage output.

Comment by co4tL

i find this to be trully THE trinket for all locks, regardless of their spec.at first i thought that blizz trashed this excellent trinket by adding the crit rating instead of spell power bonus... however, if one pays close attention to the talents of a lock :

-affliction locks get a proc per tick equal to their crit chance to do 100% more dmg
-the pets of demo locks get a % of the lock's crit chance as crit chance of their own
-obvious reasons why a destro lock would want crit rating (lolz)

And like Nykylai said, now its not just an affliction lock/shadow priest trinket.It may sound strange but even a tanking paladin could profit ALOT from this since in wotlk all of them will have Seal of Vengeance/Corruption.

It will almost surely get bonus from spell power and will be able to crit,since its an upgrade from http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34470 (wich i have on my lock, and it does 900 dmg non-crit with me having around 1000 spell bonus)

Comment by Wowgeek

This trinket is good for any class that has a DOT and likes crits.

Arguments on who's it meant for or is better used by are moot. You have a DOT and a bias opinion for your class, that's great. It doesn't make you more or less deserving then anyone else with a DOT and an ego.

This has a 10% chance to send a shadow bolt at your target. (Currently listed, so it may be wrong).

Comment by stormhole

Drops off of Sapphiron in 25 man Naxx.

Comment by Skethrow

Arguments on who's it meant for or is better used by are moot. You have a DOT and a bias opinion for your class, that's great. It doesn't make you more or less deserving then anyone else with a DOT and an ego.

Wrong. Affliction locks and shadow priests are much more deserving of this trinket than any other class/spec. See the comments on Timbal's Focusing Crystal for math on why classes/specs with more dots receive much more benefit from this trinket. It's not a biased opinion of your class if you have hard evidence based in mathematics that this trinket is better for you.

I'm just saying I'd be pretty ^&*!ed if I were a afflic lock or a shadow priest and lost this trinket to a fire mage or balance druid...

Comment by IcedTea

I'm just saying I'd be pretty ^&*!ed if I were a afflic lock or a shadow priest and lost this trinket to a fire mage or balance druid...

Why? Fire mages have Fireball (or Frostfire Bolt), Living Bomb, Ignite, and Pyroblast for dots. Not to mention Fire/Frostfire mages get a lot more out of the crit than a Shadow Priest or Afflic Lock.

I'm not saying that this is a mage only trinket. It is a trinket that is good for all dot using casters. But this is a very good trinket for (Frost)Fire mages so don't be surprised when they roll on it.

Comment by shikoten

It's important to note that neither the Fireball or Frostfire Bolt dots tick very often. Because both of those spells' dots are reset when the next direct damage lands they will spend most of their time reset. Fireball's dot usually ticks once, but with high haste may not tick at all and Frostfire Bolt's dot will probably never tick since it ticks once per 3s and the cast time on a geared mage in group will always be below 3s.

Ignite also follows odd ticking pattens sometimes. Back-to-back fire crits will proc ignite, but the actual ignite damage will never be dealt before 2 seconds without a subsequent fire crit on the mob. If you crit multiple fire spells with less than 2 seconds between them, ignite will accumulate damage but not actually tick until 2 seconds have elapsed without another ignite being applied.

These behaviors can lead to odd numbers of ticks on otherwise high-uptime dots.

Comment by Brachamul

Comments on Timbal's crystal of focus are no longer valid, because classes have changed.

Though this is still an excellent trinket for Warlocks and Shadow Priests, it is also great for :

- Balance Druids, who constantly keep Moonfire and Insect Swarm up on the target.

- Death Knights, who, depending on spec, use Blood Plague, Frost Fever, Ebon Plague/Crypt Fever, Unholy Blight and Death and Decay.

- Fire Mages who proc Ignite, Fireball and dont forget the instant Pyroblast which dots for 12 seconds, and will very often be up for a raiding mage.

If there is an internal Cooldown, and there probably will be, it will be safe to say that all these classes benefit equally from the trinket.

Comment by frmorrison

This is very useful to Balance Druids, all Warlocks, all Mages, dps DKs, and Ret Paladins.

All of these classes have spells that do periodic damage, and every dps likes have more Crit.

Comment by Honour

Yea I agree; cant wait to see locks go ape *!@# when a DK pipes up and says this is good. Which it is.

Comment by Kelmurdoch

According to the equip effect (click on it) the proc has a 10% chance and no internal cooldown (as of 3.0.3). Thus for every dot on the target this thing has a higher chance of proccing, so classes that use alot of dots (or dots that affect a large number of targets at once) would seem to be who this was designed for.

Thus, pre-inevitable nerf, the class to benefit most from this trinket are locks with their 6 potential dots, followed by consecrating paladins and then most everyone else.

Not that this really matters, as they will almost certainly place an internal cooldown on the item, making this entire argument about best class/spec moot.

Comment by mathron

I really don't see how there cannot be an internal cooldown on this - lightning capacitor was the same way and it got a "can't build charges more often than X."

See: Paladin AoE tanking - completely overpowered.

Once a cooldown is on it, Kelm is right ...everyone can go argue about how the 95 crit rating is better for them than everyone else.

Comment by Skrotnisse

Kelmurdoch you make a good point however Shadow Priests have 3 damage over time spells so they greatly benefit from the trinket.

Paladins using consecration and this trinket will see a mediocre increase in threat, This item is the new Timbal's Focusing Crystal so it problably has the same proc rate and internal cooldown.
This isn't Thottbot but I'd say it should go to Affiliction Warlocks > Shadow Priests > Moonkins > Destruction/Demonology Warlocks > Everybody else.

This item will certainly have a cooldown because Blizzard has realised that items that are so essential for putting out damage is not a good idea because it brings frustration among players when they fail to acquire it.

First post on WoWHead and it's a "Who-deserves-item-post"

Comment by voinbobar

I wonder if the effect will be triggered by druids's Rip

Comment by Ne0nguy

Proc chance is 10% on DOT ticks.

Comment by 2OfDiamonds

Wandering Plague, Frost fever, Blood Plague and Pestilence would make this an incredible death knight trinket, for tanking and dps alike, with no internal cooldown this would help with threat building, though your other trinket best be a defense one :)

That said, when it comes down to it most people that are gonna get this will be deserving of it, as they won it over any other contestants.

theres alot of DOT classes and all of them will benefit from this and their raid will decide who gets to take it home, no comment on wowhead is gonna change that.

Comment by Bawbz

Why? Fire mages have Fireball (or Frostfire Bolt), Living Bomb, Ignite, and Pyroblast for dots. Not to mention Fire/Frostfire mages get a lot more out of the crit than a Shadow Priest or Afflic Lock.

That post actually made me register just to reply to that piece of "info". You, sir, have no clue about Affli locks or Shadow Priests, seeing as how you still think crit is bad for them. Affli locks get a chance to deal an additional tick with their dots based on their crit chance, and Shadowpriests gain % dot damage based on their crit chance (it counts buffs/debuffs aswell), not to mention that SP's get 100% crit damage, and mindflay crits now aswell. So, before you go nerd raging at a priest or a lock for bidding on this/rolling on this, think twice, you might end up feeling like a fool.

Comment by MalkiVQ

I used this on KT after I picked it up and per the log 10% proc with an internal cooldown of about 15sec.

It ended up being around 2% of my total dmg which is just where Timbal's Focusing Crystal used to be. Over all great trinket for ANYONE who uses DoTs. I personally would favor SPriest, Affliction Locks, and DK's for it.

23:04'09.859 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Unstoppable Abomination #23 for 1258 Shadow.
23:04'52.448 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Soul Weaver #23 for 2946 Shadow. (Critical)
23:05'28.435 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1220 Shadow. (270 Resisted)
23:05'50.141 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1580 Shadow.
23:06'06.843 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1544 Shadow. (342 Resisted)
23:06'24.798 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1274 Shadow. (125 Resisted)
23:06'44.610 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 994 Shadow. (220 Resisted)
23:07'12.085 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1246 Shadow.
23:07'45.872 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 2726 Shadow. (Critical)
23:08'05.934 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1923 Shadow.
23:08'23.139 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1923 Shadow. (Critical)
23:08'57.337 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 2778 Shadow. (Critical)
23:09'20.050 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1869 Shadow.
23:09'35.744 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power misses Kel’Thuzad #3.
23:10'01.444 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1443 Shadow.
23:10'17.569 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1673 Shadow.
23:10'49.238 Malki Extract of Necromatic Power hits Kel’Thuzad #3 for 1771 Shadow.

Comment by Benedict

Is this the best trinket for a affliction warlock in the game right now?

(I am not arguing about other classes, the question is, if I am affliciton warlock is this THE trinket I need to go for?)

Comment by Bethink

I tested the trinket as an affliction warlock during a 465 seconds Kel'Thuzad fight. These are the resulting numbers:

15 hits, 1077 average
4 crits, 1761 average
4 misses

Total: 23213 damage over 465 seconds, 49.9 DPS

The numbers yield a proc rate of about once every 20 seconds which confirms the expected 15 second internal cooldown. (With 5 dots ticking, the expected proc rate would be 18 seconds with a perfect dot upkeep. Of course, a perfect dot upkeep can only be approximated in a real-world fight that involves some movement.)

The misses are due to +3% hit from talents not applying to the trinket. Still, this yields a solid +50 DPS from the proc in addition to the crit rating.

With my current gear, the crit rating is valued at about 60 DPS, yielding a total of 110 DPS for this trinket. This is about in line with the Dying Curse trinket (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40255) if you are no longer in need of hit. As long as you require the hit from Dying Curse to make the hit cap, Dying Curse is better by an estimated +30 DPS.

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Comment by spewyla

You clearly forgot about refreshing Living Bomb, Hot Streak procs and refreshing Scorch. These GCD's + the next FFB cast will allow the dot from FFB to tick at LEAST once.

Comment by spewyla

You clearly forgot about refreshing Living Bomb, Hot Streak procs and refreshing Scorch. These GCD's + the next FFB cast will allow the dot from FFB to tick at LEAST once.

Comment by spewyla

You clearly forgot about refreshing Living Bomb, refreshing scorch and Pyro's on Hot Streak procs, all of these casts/GCD's plus the cast of the next FFB will EASILY allow for the FFB dot to tick at LEAST once.

Comment by ghettojoe

Ummm, perhaps YOU should think twice before opening your mouth, not him. Affliction locks ONLY get crits on UA and Corruption, not SL/CoA/Drains. Spriests gain crit benefit for their DOTs, as well as Mind Flay and Mind Blast/SW:D, but they only get a 100% bonus to crits. Fire Mages get over 250% (not sure the exact number) benefit from crit to ALL their spells, not to mention Hot Streak procs.

Sooo, in conclusion, fire mages DO get more out of crit than those other DOT class and your post is irrelevant.

Comment by Bawbz

Fire Mages get over 250% (not sure the exact number) benefit from crit to ALL their spells

'Nuff said.

Comment by Anuberak

Hehe, I can already imagine our lock QQ when I'm gonna roll on this baby as a ret pally... :)
Most of our locks are destro so according to "Recount" I have highest DoT uptime anyway... :p

Comment by spewyla

So what you're saying is you have no mages/spriests/aff locks AND you are retarted enough to use that as a ret pally. I think i'm safe to say you won't kill Sapphiron even though it is a walk in the park.

Comment by Sgtown

Non-affliction locks should always be keeping up at least 3 DoTs.

Comment by Sgtown

"At LEAST once."

So you're saying sometimes you don't land another frostfire bolt for over 6 seconds? That's pretty awful.

Comment by Cindered

Ummm, perhaps YOU should think twice before opening your mouth, not him. Affliction locks ONLY get crits on UA and Corruption

Shadow bolt can crit too, along with immolate's initial strike and haunt. Both immolate and shadow bolt benefit from ruin as well.

It would benefit you to follow that advice yourself.

Comment by LomaxGnome

This is not thottbot, or the general forums. Debate as to which class should use which item are pointless and stupid. Comments should be relevant to the function of the item, or some sort of useful information, not endless bickering that makes it hard to find the useful info. I strongly recommend everyone who reads this page downrate all of the pointless comments until it is clean.

Comment by failknight

picked up this badboy last night for my Unholy DK. Rocks on trash pulls when i'm spreading diseases like unknown STD's, and even on single target bossfights it's taking a nice 2-3% of my damage, lots of crits, lots of procs, overall a VERY nice trinket.

I did feel the guilds warlocks die a little inside though, when i got it.

Comment by EDKoufax

Anyone know if this would work for dps warriors on our bleed dots? Are those considered spells? If so that's an awesome arms trinket.

Comment by dwarfington

Does this trinket have an independent crit chance or is it based on yours?

Comment by ladylei

For reference, this proc benefits from a priest's Shadowform and Curse of Elements.

Comment by Elvoran

According to this item, it'd work alongside Wandering Plague (so you'd get an empowered AoE tick), making it very useful for a Death Knight (most likely Unholy) who keeps up the Diseases and has sufficient Critical Strike rating to keep it ticking AoE-style. Are there anyone who can confirm this idea? Seeing as even though Blizzard isn't always a 100% correct on the Tooltips, it'd seem possible.

Comment by Junjoweed

After even after carefully reading how other dps classes benefit from crits, I still find that this trinket benefits frostfire mages the most (assuming you're hit-capped).

Every frostfire bolt that crits deals a total of 3.5 times more damage.
100% bonus from ice shards
50% bonus from burnout
So far that means 2.5 times normal damage, straight up-front.
Then there's the added ignite, which is 40% of that up-front damage.
2.5 x 0.4 = 1
1+2.5 = 3.5

Also, every 2 crits in a row, you get an instant pyroblast that deals a significant amount for a 1.5 second global cooldown, and applies a dot that ticks uninterupted.

Every time we crit, we recover mana equal to 30% of the spell's cost.

With a boomkin and elemental shaman in my group, i was doing 4.2k dps in a 5 man heroic with a 65% chance to crit (and over-hitcapped, with no special buffs). (ignite was 24% of my dps, while other dots added up to about 5%.) Thats 29% of my damage from periodic effects. Click here to see the chart. In the 40ish seconds it took to kill Mal'ganis in Heroic Culling of Stratholme, i recovered 2100 mana from crits, thats 263 mana per 5 seconds. I ended the fight with close to full mana.

So crits on a frostfire mage = majority of his/her dps (or should be) + endurance, which is > any other classes' crit benefits. How about the arguement that mages dont have as many dots or that they aren't as good/proccing the trinket as well? With us constantly keeping pyroblast ticks, frostfireball ticks, ignite dots, and living bomb dots up, there is no credible way to say that affliction locks or spriests will proc the trinket more due to "more dot uptime," as shikoten allges.

The only arguement that I see that has any credence is that this trinket's proc does 15% more damage when used by a shadowpriest because of shadowform. In the big picture, however the proc is just the icing on the cake, and the 95 crit rating, highest in the game on a tricket right now, is what we're after.

Junjoweed - Burning Blade

Comment by Ptolemy

What exactly constitutes a 'spell' as stated in the tooltip?

For example, would http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49001#comments count, as it's not regarded as being in the physical school? Or is treated differently as a poison?

Hunters normally have Serpent Sting up constantly for the +10% damage bonus to Steady Shot (when glyphed). Rogues would have similar poison dots on a target. Could they proc this trinket as well?

Edit: I found a hunter with this and it does indeed proc from Serpent Sting dots, not sure about rogues though. Sorry casters.

Comment by ThyFlame

Diminishing returns make it such that while affliction locks technically get the most out of it, there's not a noticeable difference from 4 dots and barely from 3.

Cba to do the math to illustrate this, atm.

Comment by dwarfington

That's great. I hope any DoT-based class that was in the raid already had it, otherwise they would have strangled him for the trinket considering the proc.

Not sure if it's just me, but I generalise any DoT-based class as a caster. Sorry if I'm wrong here.

Comment by itsthejohnes

Also procs off Warrior Rend and Deep Wounds

Comment by Vifor

Got this baby yesterday with just 2dkp on my rogue.
Proc on Garotte, Rupture and Deadly Poison ticks.
And it did a rough 2% of my dps during KT fight.

Comment by wasniahC

I agree.. don't rate this last one down. While afflocks and spriests do benefit, saying that they benefit as much as or more than a fire/frostfire mage is laughable. I ain't bashing this trinket, but people do seem to be of the opinion that crit is the most important thing in the world for these classes when it ain't :p

As for the person who said about shadowbolts and haunt benefitting from crit..

As affl, you probably have the +50% crit bonus on them.. not +100%. So yeah, go figure. The crit ain't as useful.

As for the dot? 10% procc chance, every 15 seconds.. lets look at that.

Destr lock: Immolation, Corruption, CoA (molten core). Immolate and corruption every 3 secs, coa every 2, so thats an average of 1.166.. ticks per second. This works out at an expected Don't flame me for saying average plx time for procc of 8.57 after the 15 seconds - every 23.57 seconds

Afflock (Without CoA): Corruption, Siphon Life, UA: 1 tick per second, expected procc time of 10 secs after the 15 - every 25 seconds
Afflock (with CoA): 1.5 ticks per second, expected procc time of 6.66.. seconds after cd - every 21.66.. seconds.

Lets see values for other classes.

Death Knight: Blood Plague/Frost Fever: 0.66.. ticks per second, works out at 15 extra seconds - expected procc time of 30 seconds.
With death and decay or unholy blight: 1.66.. ticks per second single target. Already more than an afflock.
With both? 2.66.. ticks per second. And those are aoe.

You can imagine the numbers from consecration as well, though I doubt its that useful for that crit on a protadin. Ret don't use consecration much right? :p

Fire mage, for reasons stated above, hard to calculate the effect of this. The dots are inconsistent, applied often.

Druids would be 0.66.. ticks per second, works out at 15 extra seconds - expected procc time of 30 seconds. So not that great for them. However, they need the crit more than many classes; often underlooked, crits offer them mana back and faster casts.

Comment by ikko

Good for warlocks, does this occur at SoV?

Comment by Jaredius

Very useful for any class that has DOTs. Rogues in particular should not pass this up as our Rupture and Deadly Poison should always be ticking... possibly more often than other classes DOTs. The passive crit is incredible also. The only thing bad about this trinket for us is having to explain to those who lack understanding and comprehension that Rogues have DOTs and I am rolling on this.

Comment by Kryptik

By Torgier 3 days ago (Patch 3.0.3)

"I have more dots so it will proc more"...
No. With an internal CD the number of procs is cut down to a ppm which will be pretty much universal for every class assuming they keep their dots up.

While I do agree with you that anyone with dots can keep this up fairly well, the more DoTs you do have will greatly increase the PPM you will get. I mean if I were a class with 1 or 2 dots ticking every 3 seconds, I'm sure their chances of a proc will be bit lower than say a warlock with 6 dots ticking every 2-3 seconds.

Comment by Grenadieris

I would like to stress the fact that this beauty is really good for a Balance Druid, as mentioned before. Don't let anyone tell you that SW priests, Warlocks etc. deserve it more.
It is true that they have more dots etc., but I like to look at it primary as Crit trinket (Natures Grace, Eclipse, anyone?).
Currently the best Caster DPS Crit trinket there is. Pure DPS. All others have different abilities, mana restore etc., but this one is pure killer.

Comment by Tipsey

Incorrect. The "ppm" he's talking about is the internal cooldown on the proc effect. It doesn't make any difference as to how many DoTs you have ticking away on the enemy, they'll only proc the effect once every 15-20 seconds. Thus, it doesn't matter the class, as long as you have a DoT ticking away, it will proc at the same rate.

You sir are also incorrect. If you read the tooltip you would notice that there is a 10% proc chance.
If it had a 100% proc chance and you had one dot that ticked every 15 seconds then you would get the same benefit as someone with 100 dots ticking every second, however the lower the proc rate goes the more benefit there is to having multiple dots ticking more frequently.

Comment by Kryptik

however the lower the proc rate goes the more benefit there is to having multiple dots ticking more frequently.

This is what I was saying in my post. I know there is an internal cooldown, I know there is a 10% proc chance off of each dot. I was only saying that someone that has more dots ticking within let's say a 5 second window, they will have a much higher chance of getting the proc to actually happen.

I mean if there was a caster with 1 dot that ticked every 3 seconds, a 10% proc chance means he might not even see a proc for 30-40 seconds. But if you have a caster with 5 or 6 dots all ticking every 3 seconds, they will be much closer to the internal CD and getting another proc immediately after the internal CD is back up. (Every 15-20 seconds)

Comment by daGELLO

Death knight trinket, for sure.

Comment by necrological

Although it IS true this will help out all you oomkin and mages, I DO think that prio would go to a warlock. I mean that last guy said he looks at it ONLY as a crit trinket, which is why he wouldn't hesitate to take it over a lock/spriest, and if that's the case then why not just roll on crit trinks with a melee proc, since the base stats are all that matter amirite? 2 dots only gives you a 20% (if the proc rate actually IS 10%) chance to proc it, whereas warlocks with 6 dots up at any time in theory have a 60% chance to proc it within the 3 seconds after the internal cd is up. I'd think that the class that's going to use it almost immediately after the internal cd is up would get FAR more usage out of it than some scrubby warrior or rogue that'll proc it anywhere from 3 seconds to a minute after the cd's up. Think logically people!

Comment by Junjoweed

1) The tooltip states spells, not spells and abilities, so I have no clue where you're going with the Rogue/ Warrior arguement. Bleeds dont count as spell period damage.
"Think logically," necrological

2) Arguements for oomkin/mage take in a number of considerations, not just stats.
Mages and boomkins have many dots AND they benefit more from crit more than warlocks unless:
The warlock is destruction specc with ruin and recieve 100% bonus from crit, in which case they lose unstable affliction.

2) Warlocks do not have 6 dots up during raid boss encounters (or ever, really) especially if they are the one in charge of keeping curse of elements up.
Mages have just as many dots as they do, (or more: ignite, living bomb, frostfire tick, pyroblast tick)

So to state it plainly,
warlocks = choosing between either more dots or bonus from crits (the latter making the 95 rating more viable)
mages / boomkin = have both

Comment by Cataclysmia

Enter token ret pally.

Now that ret paladins have a DoT (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53384) which is constantly up in a raid, and is rarely overwritten before it ticks (due to proccing off two abilities with long CDs), wouldn't this be useful for this class as well? Glancing over meters from Naxx25 last night, I am always at the top of the "DoT uptime" meter, so it would be safe to say that I would benefit greatly from a DoT augmentation.

On that note, I'm uncertain as to whether this would proc off consecration, being that it's not a DoT applied directly to a hostile, but rather a ground affect much like Death and Decay. Any insight?

Comment by Vuelhering

Now that ret paladins have a DoT (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53384) which is constantly up in a raid

The crit would certain benefit you, but are you saying a single DOT makes this useful for pallies?

Not really. But I'm not sure you have only a single DOT. Consecrate might count, but I don't know if it will proc it.

Looking over a reasonable WWS for a large, mixed group, the breakdown in Number of DOT Ticks on patchwerk is:

Affliction Warlock: 243 ticks
Destruction Warlock: 74 ticks
Shadow Priests: 136 and 131 ticks
Blood DK: 82 ticks
Unholy DK: 66 ticks (probably was slacking)
Rogues: 86 and 108 ticks
Pally: 153 (if consecrate can proc, only 53 from righteous vengeance otherwise)

So, judging from an actual patchwerk kill, I'd say that if consecrate can proc it and consecrate is a standard thing to use, then pallies would make a lot of sense. Otherwise, it wouldn't make any sense.

From best to worst based on the proc:

Affliction warlock
Paladin only if consecrate can proc it, and unholy DK if unholy blight can proc it
Shadow Priest
Destruction warlock with 5/5 corruption
Rogues and DKs
Everyone else, including destruction warlocks (without 5/5 corruption) and pallies if consecrate doesn't work

Final notes, though... Affliction warlocks will get less benefit from the crit than, say, destruction warlocks. So in that respect it might even be best going to a shadow priest, or maybe even a rogue or goofy dual-wield-killing-machine-proc-monster-DK.

Edit: Argh, from above someone says it looks like a 15 second internal cooldown. That means the list must heavily consider the +crit bonus, in addition to the number of DOTs ticking. That means those that have lots of crits should be ranked higher, and those without lower... destruction warlocks will move up, and affliction will move down.
So, after 3 edits, I conclude: Everyone who always uses more than one spell DOT should get an equal shot at this.

Comment by foam

On that note, I'm uncertain as to whether this would proc off consecration, being that it's not a DoT applied directly to a hostile, but rather a ground affect much like Death and Decay. Any insight?

Assuming this behaves similar to the old Timball trinket, it will indeed proc off of our Consecrate.

Comment by Trevar

I'm a shadow priest and I was wondering does Mind Flay do "periodic damage"?

If there is a group of 100 mobs and I Mind Flay one, will this have 99 chances to proc each tick? When it does proc from Mind Flay, will not not be able to proc again for a time on ANYTHING else because of an internal cooldown, or just that specific mob won't be procced again? I am wondering, if I am Mind Flaying, and it procs, will it send the shadowy bolt to EVERY target? How exactly does this work with Mind Flay?

Comment by raven0445

Anybody know if this works with a hunter's serpent sting?

Comment by Darkomicron

Mindflay is not periodic damage, as far as i know. So it wont proc of this trinket.

The internal cooldown is 15 seconds, so that means: Once it procs, it wont proc for another 15 seconds, then it will be able to proc again.

It wont send a shadowbolt to every target, it states that additional damage will be dealt, so it will be dealt to the same target, you were damaging with your (Mindflay) dots

Comment by sondown

On a boss an unholy DK should have at least 3 DoTs ticking on the boss at any given time. In the case of FF and BP its once every 3 seconds. In the case of UB its once a second. Probably enough to have this proc once every 15 seconds.

This trinket seems gimmicky with the internal cooldown, but would be very op on AoE pulls without it. As is, its okay, but is it worth the grief you'd probably get for rolling on it?

Comment by remarkable

god this reminds me sooooo much of and always seeing rets roll on it.

Learn 2 Itemize, This is S.priest/affy locks by first... Moonkin and Mage CAN use it for the large crit. Not necessarily the dot effect.

Why S.priest? Simple they usually have 3 dots ticking (DP, SW:P, VT) all which crit. You also have mindflay, mindblast and SW:D that are heavy on crit. They get the most use from this trinket period, crit plus dot effect is a no brainer.

Why Affy Lock? lets see, unstable affliction, immolate, curse of agony, corruption, siphon life... so thats 1,2,3... 5! 5 dots ticking every 2-3 secs? Warlocks get the most from the dot effect and would be a huge boost

Why NOT dk's, pally's, mages, moonkins, warriors, rogues?
pallys? This is why most rets are bad
mages? have 2 dots which reset upon your dmg. You SHOULD be able to greed this with moonkins after all s.priests and locks get it.
warriors? no
rogue? no
dk? l2play

so lets summarize it... Loot priority is S.priest/affy lock > mage/destro lock/moonkin > pally/dk if he wants to joke around in that order. Any arguements otherwise shows a complete lack of knowing wtf you are talking about and probably won't ever get this boss down.

Comment by DiamondDraenei

I play a Shadow Priest on Boulderfist US. I picked this up last week, and it is truly fantastic. I was using Embrace of the Spider previously, and this trinket definitely has caused a significant, noticeable increase in my DPS after last night's Naxx.

Incidentally, I beat a Warlock and a DK on the roll. Would have been fantastic for any of us. Good luck to all.

Comment by neofire

just as a note to everyone who has this trinket, this can proc off of engulf flames on malygos phase 3, just a small fact that I'd like to put out there :P

Comment by Rupertjones

As a Boomkin who takes care to keep his Moonfires/Insect Swarms ticking, I was quite distressed to lose the roll on this to an Elemental Shaman.

To all Ele Shammys out there, seriously? Seriously? Can you guys really put this trinket to better use than me? All I can think of is Flame Shock, and that can't be justification enough... I'm actually curious, if it really is an awesome and equally useful trinket for ele's I'll humbly accept my defeat to the RNG.

P.S. does Starfall and Hurricane count as periodic too? I'm not actually sure, seems like they could be either.

edit: maybe this seems like a little too much QQ. Im really just wondering how viable this is for ele shammies, ignore the comparison to boomkins.

Comment by AznNetwork

Simple they usually have 3 dots ticking (DP, SW:P, VT) all which crit

You sir, are wrong.

Comment by Demondan

Taken from the best-in-slot trinket list of an Affliction Warlock thread: http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t37900-dots_you_affliction_warlock_thread/

is a sad case: With spell power, it would be a nice trinket, but like this, the "new timbals" just does not kick it. It is a good pvp-trinket, though (keeps people in combat).
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12. (Naxx25) 36 dps + proc(+60 dps) = 96 dps

There's a math part in the post, but the numbers are probably based on this information earlier on in the thread:

For a naxxramas starter gear, the stat-to-dps ratios of these are:
(these rates may be slightly different from the ones in the math part as I am constantly improving the calculation but won't update the item comparison every time I do so).
10 hit rating = 14.07 dps
10 spell power = 13.12 dps
10 haste rating = 5.48 dps
10 crit rating = 3.75 dps
10 spirit = 4.33 dps
10 int = 1.14 dps

Don't misunderstand my post as "affl0x cant roll on the item!", I'm just saying you shouldn't overestimate the trinket.

Edit: The above info is pre 3.1, so the numbers have changed, but it's still a poor trinket (now 14th best trinket in game).

Comment by dunraven

A few things that might tilt the scales in favor of this item:

While it is not affected by spell power, attack power, etc, it is affected by your crit rating. The number of crits I get with this item directly reflect my spell crit chance.
It is affected by debuffs on the boss, specifically things that increase magical damage taken. Thus, things like Ebon Plague will increase its damage.
It is not affected by class-specific talents/abilities which increase the critical strike damage bonus of your spells (such as Runic Focus for Death Knights or Ruin for Warlocks)
It is affected by fight-specific buffs which increase your total damage dealt. This would include things like Polarity Shift on Thaddius and Power Spark aura on Malygos.

Comment by Boomber

Im wondering how good it realy is for FF-mages. Im very in doubt how strong this trinket realy is. Ive heard it works like the magister trinket used to be and give plus damage to shadowpreist in shadowform.

so bassicly the trinket does as follow correct me if im wrong:

It has a 10% proc change of dots ticking
It has a internal cooldown of 15 seconds
It can crit and it scales with crit-rating
It scales with shadowpriest shadowform (the shadowbolt it cast)
And im unsure about if the shadowbolt crit, it will apply the "Improved shadowbolt" debuff from warlocks?
And it also does something for Death knights that im unsure how works

According to rawr this is not very strong for FF mages but im wordering if rawr calculate it right. Rawr tells me that the 3 best trinkes is: 1: Illustration of the Dragon Soul 2: Sundial of the Exiled and 3rd very close to 2 tho: Embrace of the Spider

And this trinket is way way down on the list. But as said above it scales with crit. And FF mages has alot of crit. I run around with 50^% ~ crits in raids. (combustion aswell) So it would crit alot for me. And the dots will also tick nonstop from mages: FFB dot, Pyro dot, ignite dot and LB dot.

So my question is will this trinket gets better the better gear you get or will it get worse?
And how good is it for a frostfire mage? (better than the 3 above or worse?)

Im sure there is some elite jerk out there caclulating like a mad man that can provide me with a straight forward answer. :)

Comment by hadesx

Assume this would proc using my Serpents Sting on my Hunter...
Anyone tested this?

Comment by Loltotems

Anyone know if this procs off Flametongue weapon ?

Comment by Scammich

I have read that his does proc on druid bleeds as well and would make a decent Kitty trinket. I would defer to any crit heavy class with a constant dot (Boomkin perhaps), but would grab this up to play with if no one was interested.

The internal cooldown is what seems to make this trink less desireable to rogues, kitty's and warriors, but the crit on this is insane in and of itself, getting procced extra damage is just the icing. And since Kitty's will always always have rip and rake up, this should do some nice extra damage for them.

Comment by aliefe

From a hunter perspective, this trinket is a pain in the xxx. +95 crit is awesome, proc damage is very nice, 10% proc rate kills all its beauty lol. This would proc much less than it would for a dot heavy class since our only dot serpent sting is ticking every 3 secs.

In the end, I would never roll over a lock, rouge, druid or warrior.

But I am disappointed cuz the white dps version of this, bandit's insignia, has 190AP instead of 95 Crit. And it has a 45 sec cooldown instead of 15. It really sucks compared to this trinket.

lol @ ppl who think 95 crit = 190 ap
lol @ 3 times longer hidden cooldown for 2 times higher damage.

If Ulduar comes out late and this trinket drops down to the going to the guildbank phase, i will bid and try it.

Comment by Artephact

One of the best DK tank threat generators for multiple mob tanking; note I didn't say it should be given to a DK tank over anyone else. Just a fact: great DK tank threat generators for AoE tanking. I know from experience.

Comment by Arinaya

Okay, I am not even going to join the debate on who can/should get this. I just would like to know how many drakes have to be up for this to drop, or if it drops without any drakes up. Sorry if it was already said, but I read all the comments and didn't see anything.

Comment by Dominor

That's because it drops of Sapphiron in Naxxramas 25, not from Sartharion.

Comment by QSPhoenix

Because of this.

Edit: Fixed link due to higher levels of Pandemic being removed in a patch change.

Comment by arcifer

How about the death knight ability "Unholy Blight?" since it's an aura that applies dots to enemies around you. And Death and decay?

Comment by koreldar

anyone that has one of these know if it recieved buffs on 3.1 PTR?

Comment by demnogis

Does anyone know if as a Shadow Priest:

• When fighting multiple mobs and a Death Knight uses pestilence to spread your Devouring Plague to all the mobs, if the trinket procs from a Devouring Plague tick, if it will strike all the mobs (similar to when Mind Sear crits, it crits on all mobs at once).

• If this trinket will proc from channeled spells, such as Mind Sear and Mind Flay.

Thanks.

Comment by wingman

This does indeed proc on cat druid bleeds, however, due to the internal cooldown on the trinket it's not very good. If it had no ICD, it's modelling would look like:

Assuming geared 8% melee hit gives roughly 10% spell hit, with misery reduced to 4% misses.
The average base damage is 1050. Modified by at least one increase, I'll use just Earth and Moon (13%) increasing to 1187 damage.
Spell crit damage modifier is 1.5 and should be affected by meta (1.545). Average crit damage is then 1833.
Spell crit rate will depend on crit rating and Ret or Moonkin buffs. This might be around 20-25% crit. I'll assume 25%.
50 ticks * 10% chance * (1833*0.25 + 1187*(1-0.25-0.04)) = 6505 dmg/min = 108 dps

This is on top of the passive crit rate value.

However, the trinket has a 15 second internal cooldown :(

Taking that into account looks like:

The proc does (1833*0.25 + 1187*(1-0.25-0.04)) = 1301 damage and has a proc rate, when cooldown is up, of 1/12 Hz. 1/(proc rate) = 12 sec is hence the average time after the cooldown is up before the next proc occurs, so the effective proc rate, taking the cooldown into consideration, is 1/(15 sec + 12 sec) = 1/27 Hz. The actual dps value of the trinket's proc effect, using your assumptions, is then:

(1/27 Hz) (1301 damage) = 48 dps.

Comment by HopeIs

If anyone thinks this item is actually "good" for a mage, they are sadly mistaken.

It being my main, our dot's (ignite tick, FFB / FB tick, LB tick) aren't substantial enough to worry about having an additional dot put on them.

The two best in slots are Dying Curse and Illustration of the Dragon Soul, we benefit much more off the raw Spell Power rather than the 2% crit off this item. If you're a FFB mage, you should be sitting at a high enough crit chance to not have to worry about having the 2% off this item.

All in all, leave this for the Warlocks and Spriests, this item doesn't benefit mages nearly enough for us to roll on it.

Comment by Bigelsworth

At patch 3.10 this will be more beneficial for shadow priests since their DOTs can now crit while theyre in shadowform

Comment by qTONICp

just gonna say it now This trinket screams afflic lock... really think about it... afflic locks DoT's last longer than any class and carry most types... ex. UA, SL, CoA, Immolate, Corruption, Death coil, Drain life, Drain soul, along with then benefit of haunt increasing dmg from all of these.. only talents afflic locks have for direct dmg.. Shadowbolt which is used most.. incinerate..rarely used by afflic, searing pain. never used on raid bosses by afflic, soulfire <--- most worthless spell.. so that pretty much leaves just shadowbolt.. every other spell is a DoT .. Afflic locks deserve this trinket more than the other classes..imo

Comment by Underlock

Every class has their own dots , this trinket might not be good for some but saying that this trinket is better for affliction over any class is really a load of bullcrap. And so what if dots can crit? Dots are such a small percentage of our dmg that if they crit or not won't matter. So if you really think this is best for your class even thou it's good for others, then others might not be willing to bid as much as you, which i really doubt.
Really nice for a destruction lock if you're aiming for it.

Comment by Vouksh

Been using this on my shadow priest for a couple days now, and I must say that i love it. Full cleared naxx last night, and I noticed a good 2% dmg increase with this equipped over the Sundial of the Exiled. My other trinket is the Dying Curse, and I also have the Lightweave Embroidery, and I have to say it provides a nice synergy. All procs, allowing me to focus wholly on my dps as well as the fight in general (ie, not standing in fire =P).

We also had it drop again last night, and we gave it to our boomkin, and he also notice a 1.8% dmg increase, though he hasn't done much comparison with the Sundial of the Exiled for himself.

So obviously, this is very good for classes that have a few different DoT effects that have a consistent uptime (ie, Warlock, Shadow Priest, Balance Druid) so they can have it proc every time the internal CD is up.

Overall, a very nice trinket.

Comment by Andea

For all those asking how this can benefit an afflic lock, let me try to help by showing you the afflic talent which makes crit useful for us

Pandemic Rank 3

Each time you deal damage with Corruption or Unstable Affliction, you have a chance equal to your spell critical strike chance to deal 100% additional damage.

Comment by condottieri

10% chance of proc
15 second cooldown

Our raid group's rule on this trinket is that you must be a class that has at least 4 DoTs on the boss for 100% of the fight to even get full benefit of this trinket. That generally rules out everyone but shadow priests and affliction warlocks.

Comment by Myrhal

Ok... Just because everyone's Hunter-like arguments over who should get this amuse the hell out of me, I felt I should add my two cents. According to MaxDPS.com this Trikent breaks down for DPS by class and build as follows:
Afflic Lock - 64.58 DPS
SPriest - 82.48 DPS
Fury War - 56.08 DPS
Fire Mage - 109.07 DPS
Combat Rogue - 33.17 DPS
Hunter - 25.69 DPS
Unholy DK - 87.8 DPS
Druids did not have it listed though I am sure it would be nice for them.

So, obviously it is definitely a Huntard Trinket!

In truth, if it is an improvement over your current trinket, I say you should have a shot at it no matter what the class.

Comment by shintenma

Would this proc off of Blizzard/Arcane Missiles or does it only proc off of spells that apply a debuff to the target which then deals dmg?

Comment by daGELLO

This trinket will not proc off of ebon plaguebinger/crypt fever as it does not deal damage, nor will it proc off of UB or DnD as neither of these effects are DoTs.

But it will proc off of Blood Plague and Frost Fever as those are dots.

Comment by Myrhal

Well, the point I was making is it is not a trinket especially for any one class. In the end I feel that if it is an improvement for that person then they should have a shot at it. Now, each guild has their own way of spreading out loot. Some guilds only want specific classes rolling first for specific gear. So, people's complaining about getting rolled against for it, or making the case for it to only go to this or that class should be directed at their guild/raid since I definitely have no input on whether or not they get to roll for anything. :)

Oh, one last thing. If after the new patch hunters get a good use out of it that's cool. I only used them as examples, as like in almost every forum for an item you see about 5-10 hunters talking about something is a hunter item and no one else should roll for it. For my raid, if a hunter could get more use out of it than anyone else wanting it, I'd give it to him. But, for this item almost every class gets a pretty good use out of it. So, I guess that is why people feel so strongly about it. All the competition.

Comment by Kuja

procs from paladin's conceration

Comment by Arynna

it also procs from a paladins Righteous Vengeance DoT effect.

Assuming it procs from Consecration is a safe bet also.

Comment by Denamic

I like this trinket because it makes me giggle when I kill someone in PvP with it.

Comment by Idocreating

I'm assuming this will proc off a Retribution Paladin's Righteous Vengeance, but will it proc off Consecration considering it's an AoE effect that applies damage like a DoT rather than being an actual DoT.

And will it proc off Death and Decay considering that DnD puts a debuff on anyone in it?

Comment by Yukazi

Affliction Warlock vs Balance Druid
I lost this to a Boomkin last week.

Comment by pallylock

Is this any good for Tankadins? Seal of Vengeance is a great stacking DoT so it seems like this would provide good extra tps if you don't need stats, although not having an "oh #$%^ button would be a downer"

Comment by naturalenhance

This and Darkmoon Card: Death on an unholy/frost dk for pvp, i know you can get 5k crits with death card due to the increase to shadow damage from dk talents, but what about this one? if so, 8-10k burst procs for pvp (that's assuming both crit, and around the same time)

Comment by Corpsemonger

I've been looking at trinkets lately and saw another one similar to this one Darkmoon Card: Death. I was wondering which trinket gets better dps because on one side you get 10 crit rating and on the other side you get about an extra 1K dmg per proc. Just wanted peoples opinions on this.

Comment by Arcmerx

Question: As a shadow priest I currently use Dying Curse and Eye of the Broodmother. Can I justify replacing one of those with the Extract of Necromantic Power? Or should I try and move some items around so I can replace Dying Curse?

Comment by norokelt

how does it works with Darkmoon Card: Death?
do they have shared cd or not?

Comment by norokelt

ehm, are you kidding ? where is my post? wtf was wrong with it?
i asked if this trinket has shared cd with Darkmoon Card: Death
its nowhere here mention yet, and its enought important dont you mind? ... nc

Comment by rychan

Feral druids: both rip and rake will cause this to proc. The proc was 1.8% of my DPS in a brief target dummy test. Very nice trinket for feral dps.

Comment by Gandazar

Not to mention Fire/Frostfire mages get a lot more out of the crit than a Shadow Priest or Afflic Lock.

You, sir, have no clue about Affli locks or Shadow Priests, seeing as how you still think crit is bad for them.

Why that got modded up I have no idea.

If you're going to use straw-man rhetoric, you shouldn't quote the statement you are trying to misrepresent. What he said was that fire mages get a lot more out of the crit than shadow priests or warlocks. He did not say that "crit is bad for them", as your post tries to imply.

And he's 100% right. Fire mages benefit far more from crit than any other class, as you would know if you had any clue about the fire tree talents (and a couple of frost ones, but mainly fire) and how they stack with increased crit.

And just because mage DoTs are very weak compared to other classes that doesn't mean they aren't up for most of the time (and that's all that's required for this trinket to proc).

I'd still tend to give this trinket to my shadow priest or warlock (I play all three classes), simply because they have talents that increase or are triggered by shadow spell damage (I'm assuming those would apply to this trinket's proc; if they don't, then it would definitely go to my fire mage).

Comment by hadlokkidlat

thanks for the informative inputs but I still want to ask this question:

If you guys get to choose, which one would it be:

Extract of Necromantic Power: 15 sec cool down and a 10% proc

or

Darkmoon Card: Death 45 sec cool down and a 35% proc

which one? and your reason/s? thanks a bunch !

Comment by Kanariya

The proc can multistrike as of 6.0.

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Extract of Necromantic Power

Item Level 213
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped

Trinket

+27 Critical Strike (0.25% @ L100)

Equip: Each time one of your spells deals periodic damage, there is a chance 327 additional damage will be dealt.
Requires Level 80

Sell Price: 11 39 40

Dropped by: Sapphiron

Drop Chance: 7.80%

Extract of Necromantic Power

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