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Ну, вообще-то, вещь хорошая, особенно в ПвП. Хорошо действует против хантов,локов и магов, которые являются нашим анти-классами, и, помогают не схватить ваншот от какого-нибудь "Хаосболта", так же неплохо сочетается с Заживлением ран. Пример: представьте, что вы боретесь с тем же локом, у вас 20% ХП, и он в наглую кастит все то-же хаосболт. Бросаем шашку, КоШ(что бы снять всякую локовскую шнягу типа порча, агония и т.п.) и отхиливаемся по-быстрому. Можно (и даже нужно) рестелснуться(если,конечно, КД нет).И продолжаем бой. Вообще, к абилке нужно подойти творчески). Бежите с парнем, который несет флаг в ВСГ и видите: он на прицеле у какого-то РДД. Кидаем шашку. Можно его(врага) кинуть в блайнд, но можно и поберечь энергию. Решать вам. Так же, работает как отвлечение, если например, нужно заставить врагов идти куда вам нужно. А то есть: кидаете шашку, враги видят облако. Бегут туда, в надежде найти вас. А вы к примеру, берете флаг на Оке бури и валите на спринтах))).Так же подходит чисто для понта или для дурачества (а-ля "Йа ниндзя!") Так что, эксперементируйте))).

P.S. Вообще, роги-это сам по себе творческий класс. Один веер чего стоит))). В комментариях к нему так же описаны разные способы применения. Спасибо за внимание).

Комментарий от lolbaglag

Не понимаю патча 4.0.6
у этой абилки 3 минуты кд и она сейчас будет 5 секунд,я даже незнаю других классов у которых были такие короткие абилки с таким большим кд,думаю лучше было оставить тучку 10 секунд.
за 5 мало что успееш сделать или засейвить своего хила на арене или кого то забрать.
вообщем близы опять сделали не ПОДУМАВ(

Комментарий от grenelink

Превосходная вещь для арены, когда против вас выступает противник с хиллером, атака противника с использованием дымовой шашки не даёт вражескому хиллеру лечить своего напарника.

Комментарий от Timear

Особенно полезна шашка для постановки помех вражеским хилерам: примените Шашку в толпе противников, которые сошлись с вашими союзниками в рукопашной, и на 5 секунд те не смогут рассчитывать на помощь лекарей. Кроме того, шашка не имеет какого-либо диминишинга: можно применить и две шашки последовательно (самому при помощи Символ дымовой шашки либо с таким же Разбойником как вы). Враги видят облако слегка розоватым.

Шашка теперь не обновляется Подготовкой. Зато уменьшает урон по союзникам внутри облака на 20%, что компенсирует предыдущий недостаток.

Так же существует миф, что Шашка "глушит" и союзников, не позволяя им исцелять раненых в облаке. ЭТО НЕПРАВДА.

I find it interesting that people seem to look at this with defensive viability in mind. Me? I'm going to love using this to seal off an enemy I'm burning down from their healers and getting up close and personal with our own little smoke cloud in the battleground. Just me, the enemy, and my daggers. Then the smoke clears, it'll just be their body dropping to the ground: I'll have Vanished and already be moving on to the next target.

Комментарий от Cyrus82

"Enemies are unable to target into or out of the smoke cloud." That makes it look like enemies are able to target within the smoke. That's kind of weird - someone inside the cloud can't see someone outside it even if they're just one yard from the edge, but they can see someone nine yards away on the opposite side of the cloud? - but it would be extremely OP otherwise, I guess. Pity.

I wonder how this will work in PvE. It's hard to believe it would work on, for example, boss fights with adds that can heal, or casters with one big ability that's really hard to survive. But on the other hand, some abilities that work differently in PvE and PvP say so right on them - I'm mainly thinking of the DK's new ability Dark Simulacrum - and this one doesn't, so maybe it does work in most PvE situations. That will be moderately useful in a lot of encounters and I'm sure there must be some encounter, somewhere, in which it's completely broken.

On the other hand, note that it only affects targeting. Therefore, an aoe attack on the cloud should still hit whoever is inside it. Therefore, everyone still has plenty of ways of stunning, freezing, knocking back or just plain damaging anyone inside the cloud. Therefore, I think Stilus is right - the primary use of this ability is not escaping trouble, but using it offensively.

Комментарий от lolomghax

Here is a fun way to use it.

In arena, attack a target and place this around you to block incoming heals from his healer

Комментарий от deadluke

If this works like I expect, it will be awesome in dungeons to help the tank with caster pulls. Drop it on tank, and all the ranged will run to him. :D

Комментарий от Anotherdk

So I guess Typhoon is the best counterspell.

Комментарий от gtessier

Seems like a usfull move in some pulls in dungeons and raids, LoS without walls perhaps?

Комментарий от Retts

Creates a cloud of thick smoke in a 10 yard radius...

For those that don't understand much within yards in WoW, if you've ever used your Distract, this will have the same radius which is massive. For those of you that are Engineers, the Frag Belt gives a 3 yard radius so you can see the comparison.

Enemies are unable to target into or out of the smoke cloud.

For all those confused on this, reading is learning.

Комментарий от Retts

Creates a cloud of thick smoke in a 10 yard radius...

Enemies are unable to target into or out of the smoke cloud.

For all those confused on this, reading is learning.

Комментарий от Kaltzor

There is no smoke bomb, just a rogue being normal and smoking up a thick enough cloud...

Комментарий от lovechia

If wow stayed on the classic route, this would have been an engineer trained ability.

Комментарий от Djinvar

This one is going to be good to use against hunter. Cast it, wait, get back into stealth.

Комментарий от Keelerak

because of this

fear/knock you out

Комментарий от gorden23

...Hunter would just use freezing arrow (if it's not on CD) and just wait for the smoke to dissipate. If the rogue breaks free and vanish's, that was a waste of smoke bomb, and they both get no where lol.

Комментарий от rambaral

Works as advertised, popped it 10 yds from a pack of hordies, they stood there for a few seconds unable to do anything to me until they physically ran into the cloud. And then I ran out of it, again making them unable to do anything to me.

Friendly spells are unaffected by it obviously.

Комментарий от Squadalah

Dark Swarm from Starcraft: Now usable by rogues!

Комментарий от denzeli

It does say "enemies" and unless your healer isn't of the enemy kind, I think you can get heals inside the cloud :P

This can probably be used in PvE to protect members of the raid from adds and such for a short while.

Use on slimes at Putricied fight, who they gonna attack then :D

Комментарий от jarkun

So, does this mean that a group of rogues can chain-cast this ability, limiting the enemy's options for 20-30 seconds?

Комментарий от Ag3nt007

Everyone will get high because of this.

Комментарий от hubbard

this seems more like an engineering skill rather than a naturally taught ability...

Комментарий от gorden23

This is why they gave the priest the leap of faith. lol

Комментарий от Killoorc

Does anyone know if the smoke travels with you or stays?

Комментарий от Clajjan

Inspiration?

Комментарий от Clajjan

It will probably work like a Consecration from a paladain. You "drop" it on the ground and it stays there for 10 sec.

Edit: Linked Consecration.

Комментарий от yesya

An important point - unaffected by Diminshing returns.
This will give you 10sec of CC as long as you keep them inside it, regardless of before or after your stun combo.

Комментарий от Hijou

Wouldn't you be able to use this like a decoy? Example: Rogue vs. Mage: The rogue uses smoke bomb and as soon as possible use vanish. The mage being as he is would most likely use an aoe effect on the smoke. In other words you have made the mage use his mana while you most likely have stepped up behind him. Ofc this won't give you much time to do so. Since the mage in such a scenario would most likely notice that his aoe isn't doing any damage. But still wouldn't this be another way to use this?

Комментарий от Rarehunter

It's like going against Akali all over again, but in WoW...

Комментарий от blue6

Alll i can think about is how ret rogue is going to be insanely interesting to try out. I have a rogue partner, and we've been in it through thick and thin, since patches and expacs long past, we always find a way to get to 1800 and beyond, but this cata season may just very well be our time, lol specially with smoke bomb (kinda sad we're gunna revolve game around 1 move), but yea just get them low, then pop everything you have. ToT + Vendetta + Zealotry+ Avenging Wrath+ Guardian of the Ancient Kings= WTF"oh that's what happened"

Комментарий от Aindrias

if its an enemy they still cant target inside to heal someone in it, if its an ally then they can target you and heal you

Комментарий от Xalden

Cant the hunter use that rain of arrows ^&*! and just hit the entire radius of the smoke?

Комментарий от deltaboss

Can we see anything in actoin?

Комментарий от Ilikapples23

*cough* Assassins Creed *cough*

Комментарий от CanadianIAm

Is anyone else bothered that you hear a burping noise when you use SB?

Комментарий от Tenjen

its sound effect is a deep belly belch, similar to Dragonbreath Chili's effect

Комментарий от Abomb

this spell is truly amazing, think about these arena scenarios, ele shammy earthbind totem someone inside if for a kill, druid also rooting someone inside for a kill, or the best yet: priest is getting hammered on my a warrior and is out of defensive CDs, he casts leap of faith on his rogue buddy who then casts smoke bomb on top of the priest, giving him time to heal up while hes untargetable. my only concern is will bladestorm hit people inside?

Комментарий от bullandrood

Needs moar
POCKET SAND!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTAXUYLbFYk

Комментарий от Neazy

Stuff you should know:

-Everyone inside gets a debuff while in the smoke bomb.
-This debuff doesn't stay on forever even when they leave the cloud (like flare... cough cough).
-Enemies of the rogue can't cast into or out of the smoke bomb; if they're in, they only cast in; if out, other way around.
-Friendly targets of the rogue are unaffected; they can dps people in the smoke bomb and heal them too.
-AoE attacks (Shadowfury, Flamestrike) can still be placed in the area of the smoke and hit everyone inside.
-AoE heals (Tranquility, Healing Rain) work the same way.
-8 yards from end to end.
-Because you're in the middle of it when you cast it, enemies have to move, at most, 4 yards to get out.
-Not very easy to see at first, but the debuff goes up instantly so look for that.
-Sub rogues can use Glyph of Preparation to have Prep reset the cooldown on this bad boy (recommended!).

The new best move in the game in PvP, taking the title from the old champion, Shadowfury.

Edit: The rogue DOES get the debuff from his own smoke bomb.

Edit2: Being nerfed in patch 4.0.6. Now will only last 5 seconds instead of 10.

IMO, not a huge nerf. The longest you can really keep anyone inside this thing is 5 seconds if you land a 5-point kidney then on your next GCD use smoke bomb, because like I said, it's only 4 yards at the most that they have to move before they're getting healed again. It would be nice if the duration was 6 seconds so we could get a restealth off with it, but whatver, it's still awesome.

Edit3: I've known this for a while but held off on posting it here because I thought it was unintended. Since it doesn't look like it's getting fixed soon, I might as well share it. Smoke Bomb breaks enemy rogues out of stealth as soon as they enter it, and works pretty much like Flare. This means a few things. For one, when you notice that you're up against another rogue team in arenas, you can open on one of his partners and drop a Smoke Bomb immediately. This way when the enemy rogue comes to open on you, he breaks out of stealth and doesn't get his opener. You can also drop it on a rogue who's about to Vanish. No more Vanish for him.

Комментарий от melaksztsz

doesn't work with HC bosses

Комментарий от N0M1Z

Anybody knows what would happen, if a shaman made his pack of totems, and you dropped this ontop of them, and continued to him, so they would be inside, while you and the shaman outside?... Would be nice if they had no effect on you for 10seconds.. And same with other "auto spell attacks" like mages new orbs? and mirror images?.. But this is a nice spell, and it sure needs some testing..

Комментарий от kragragh

Does this ability have any use in PvE?

Комментарий от LifeWillEnd

Rikimaru style

Комментарий от gorden23

WHY! Why must they already nerf this!

Комментарий от tvienti

Unless the guy you were attacking walks out of the smoke...

Or is a warrior / druid / death knight / warlock / priest / paladin / mage / shaman / hunter / rogue / hogger.

Комментарий от fobos97

you are not correct... π is an infinity number

Комментарий от fefenc

I do not know if you've noticed, but smoke bomb is an ability originally from DotA, like other rogues spells of Cataclysm as names and similar utilities such as:

Smoke Bomb: Rikimaru - Rogue
Coup de grace: Mortred - Rogue
Vendetta: Anub'arak ~~(I think)~~ - Rogue

I think Blizzard is doing this because DotA2, the game that the ice frog is doing with the valve, and this enraged the guys in the blizzard, and as DotA (WC3) was done in one of the editors of Warcraft III , Blizzard will not have problems with copyright if ever put these skills in WoW, but the valve will have problems with copyright when putting the skills that are using coming WoW DotA (WC3).

So ... what I mean is that if the DotA2 put the abilities that WoW is putting them in WoW classes, Valve may have problems with copyright, it's all a strategy of Blizzard.

I'm not trying to support anyone ... I'm just inform them and make some comparisons of what is happening.

Комментарий от fefenc

I don't know if you've noticed, but smoke bomb is an ability originally from DotA, other rogues spells names are similar from DotA and utilities is similar from dotA such as:

Smoke Bomb: Rikimaru - Rogue
Coup de grace: Mortred - Rogue
Vendetta: Anub'arak ~~(I think)~~ - Rogue

I think Blizzard is doing this because DotA2, the game that the ice frog is doing with the valve, and this enraged the guys in the blizzard, and as DotA (WC3) was done in one of the editors of Warcraft III , Blizzard will not have problems with copyright if ever put these skills in WoW, but the valve will have problems with copyright when putting the skills that WoW are using from DotA (WC3).

So ... what I mean is that if the DotA2 put the abilities that WoW is putting them in WoW classes, Valve may have problems with copyright, it's all a strategy of Blizzard.

I'm not trying to support anyone ... I'm just inform them and make some comparisons of what is happening.

Комментарий от Merylyan

Appears to interfere with people who are dueling. Could be amusing to put a little salt in this pointless activity :D

Комментарий от fefenc

I do not know if you've noticed, but "Smoke Bomb" is an ability originally from DotA, "Smoke Screen", like other rogues Cataclysm spells with names and similar utilities such as:

Smoke Bomb = Smoke Screen: Rikimaru - Rogue
Coup de grace: Mortred - Rogue
Vendetta: Anub'arak ~~(I think)~~ - Rogue

I think Blizzard is doing this because DotA2, the game that the icefrog is doing with the "Valve", and this enraged the guys in the Blizzard, and as DotA (WC3) was done in one of the editors of Warcraft III , "Blizzard" will not have problems with copyright if ever put these skills in WoW, but the valve will have problems with copyright when putting the skills that are using coming WoW DotA (WC3).

So ... what I mean is that if the DotA2 put the abilities that WoW is putting them in WoW classes, "Valve" may have problems with copyright, it's all a strategy of "Blizzard".

I'm not trying to support anyone ... I'm just inform them and make some comparisons of what is happening.....

Комментарий от Tartonga

Wrong, your allies can target you and the allies of your enemy can target your enemy if they are affected by smoke bomb.

Комментарий от Tartonga

Smoke Bomb makes stealthed enemies go out of stealth when they get the debuff.

Комментарий от jakyl3

are charge, intercept and death grip affected by this?

Комментарий от Bananaboots

One of my favourite uses for this is in Alterac Valley. When the opposing faction starts attacking your general, cheap shot the tank and drop a smoke bomb on them. They won't dodge/parry attacks for a few seconds and they won't receive heals. It's often enough to cause a wipe.

Комментарий от savchris

After patch 4.0.6 it lasts for 5 seconds down from 8 seconds. At PvP 5 seconds are not enough to let you the chance to restealth (the time to get out of combat is 6 seconds). So the next time you want to use it to get restealth use Парализующий удар first and after 2-3 seconds use Smoke Bomb.

Комментарий от Viktorr

Cannot target into or out of. An enemy outside cannot target the enemy you have stunlocked inside of it in order to heal.
Vice versa: The healer you have inside the smoke cannot heal one of his/her allies that is outside of the smoke.
If enemy healer and heal target are both inside or outside of the smoke there is no obstacle to casting

Комментарий от ZerglingHero

Mages' Mirror Images are able to target you inside the smoke.

Bug or intended? Can anyone confirm this?

Комментарий от gorden23

I would like to be able to throw this anywhere within like 30 yards. That way it would be more effective in all situations to throw at a healer instead of running over to them to do it.

Комментарий от camarouge

Magic? Pfft, their never was such a thing. What you call magic is all just smoke and mirrors.

Комментарий от clockworkjames

Glyph of prep for this spell is part of what is broken about cata pvp. It's just too surefire in so many comps, most classes have 1 way of combatting it and when they prep and you have trink on CD you cannot be peeled or healed and you will die.

Комментарий от Miscemen

C'mon you call yourselves ninjas, yet you have all missed the one and only purpose of this spell:
"In the confusion of a smoke bomb.. I could remove your bra, and you wouldn't even notice"

I'm sorry but it had to be said.

Комментарий от Footrot

Exact? When it uses pi as part of it's calculation? What a silly comment to make. :p

Комментарий от Supermilk

I was in arena, and my rogue partner threw down smokebomb. Somehow a disc priest dragged the enemy (who was in the smokebomb) out of it with leap of faith. Should it be like that or is it a bug?

Комментарий от Ponk

It will probably work like a Consecration from a paladain

ur mum is a paladAin

Комментарий от bugless

25.132741228718345907701147066236 yard circumference to be exact.

And another attendee in the world's worst eduction system heard from!
Morbul, why don't you do everyone a favor and google "Significant figures" to figure out why setting your calculator to print out as many decimal places as possible does not increase the precision of your answer. KNOB!

Комментарий от LovableCynic

I was going to complain about this removing other rogues from stealth. Then I realized what an invisible body would look like moving through a fog bank.

Now I feel dumb for having nearly complained. >>

Комментарий от undeaddom

If the radius is 8 yards, "end to end" (diameter) would be 16 yards. Giving it a 25.12 yard circumference.

Circumference of a circle is pi*diameter; NOT pi *radius, thus making it 50.27yds. Assuming the smoke bomb forms a perfect sphere around the Rogue the volume it would take up is 2144.66yds^3.

To save any additional revision you might be doing for your maths exam the area of a circle is pi * (radius ^ 2)...

Maths is fun yesh!

Комментарий от Dyler

Sorry to break the ice. But i have recently been using this ability alot but it doesnt seem to do ANYTHING. And the duration is too small tbh. And just one last thing. A healer can focus target the other pal and apperently, that way he can target him. Not fair eh?

Комментарий от sandreid87

Smoke Bomb breaks enemy's stealth if they run/get in it

Комментарий от Dyler

I can't seem to get an answer that i want can anyone confirm this for me?
If someone is already targeting a person that just went inside the smoke, while he is outside. Will he still be able to heal him?

Комментарий от rayzorium

And another attendee in the world's worst eduction system heard from!
Morbul, why don't you do everyone a favor and google "Significant figures" to figure out why setting your calculator to print out as many decimal places as possible does not increase the precision of your answer. KNOB!

You're funny. The word you should have used is accuracy, not precision. If you're going to preach scientific terminology, at least make sure you use the right words. You're like a grammar nazi that starts his post out by saying "your dumb."

But as long as I'm calling you out, we don't really have any way of knowing how many sig figs should be assigned to 8 (and if you assigned it only one sig fig, you have some serious misconceptions about the concept; I'll let your superior education system sort that one out for you). We don't actually know how distance is calculated in WoW, and Blizzard has gone to lengths to make sure of that. Does the number that guy posted have too many decimal places? Probably - almost certainly. Did it warrant an attack like yours? Not really. Good job mixing up basic vocabulary, though.

Комментарий от Hrenyo

i'd go with 2-3 sig figs after comma, which is how crit/hit etc works.

Комментарий от MasterOutlaw

I was using this today and realized the animation and sound has changed slightly.

Previously when triggered it made an odd belch sound before the smoke appeared. Lame. Now when you use it you get a small explosion at your feet as if you threw down a real smoke bomb before getting the smoke. Unfortunately you don't have a toss animation like with Distract... yet.

A minor cosmetic change it may be, but at least it no longer sounds like my rogue has bowel problems.

Комментарий от andypoop20

I've just been using Smoke Bomb cause it looks cool... not all spells need to have a battle purpose

Комментарий от jjonessec

too bad its a 3 min cooldown, would have been nice on the ragnaros fight for magma traps.

Комментарий от Roayal

try me, smoke me, love me ! im smoke bomb =)

Комментарий от doctorgray

@Dyler:

It sounds like you're confused or not using this ability properly. Let me break it down a bit.

1. It's an aoe effect that creates a Line of Sight barrier. If someone could still cast provided they were already targeting the person who entered the smoke bomb, this spell might as well not exist. This of it as a wall for any enemy outside of it who is trying to cast a spell directly into the smoke.

2. 5 seconds is more than enough time to kill someone, especially if this is used properly. With Blind, Gouge, Kidney, etc and whatever your partners have, you should be able to get a target to sub 50% before deploying this. Not to mention, you have two if you glyph that way. Most rogues I've seen use a stun in conjunction. Making sure the target does not have a trinket ready is part of setting it up.

Last but not least. Don't get frustrated if you use this defensively and get hit anyway, aoe may still hit you, and obviously anyone inside of it can as well. Also, people can use abilities to jump outside of it, such as Disengage, Heroic Leap, Blink, etc. It's not a be all, end all device, know it's limitations and you'll do well with it.

TL;DR:

This spell effectively breaks line of sight for enemies. They cannot target into the smoke bomb. Some aoe type spells may penetrate, but single target healing is impossible unless both enemies are inside of the smoke. Timing of friendly or enemy entering the smoke doesnt matter. It is a LoS wall for its duration to anything trying to go from the outside in.

Комментарий от Shatth

This spell has won me sooo many 2v2's with my rogue.
Love it.

Комментарий от Roayal

I found Растерянный мурлок in Дымовая шашка even more confused.

Комментарий от drakyn27

i used this spell once on my newly 85 rogue alt doing tol borad dailies. I was being overwhelmed by the mobs (as everyone knows the aggro radius in tol borad is wicked ridiculous). Anyways, my vanish was on cooldown and so was my HP...so i popped this sucker last resort to keep from dying...but wouldnt u know the mob simply swung their weapon, it landed and hit me inside the smoke regardless and killed me. Proven fact it cant be relied on, atleast i wont rely on it again in a live or die situation.

Комментарий от Kemaria

Smoke Bomb does not work against priests who just died and are using Дух воздаяния.

Комментарий от Skullhawk13

All this talk about PVP, this is a rogue's raid utility cooldown. It reduces damage by ten percent, so keep it off cooldown until your raid leader calls for it, It's small, but powerful.

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Дымовая шашка

Дымовая шашка

Мгновенное действие	Восстановление: 3 мин

Требуется: Разбойник
Требует уровень: 85

Создает вокруг разбойника облако густого дыма радиусом 8 м на 5 сек. Враги внутри облака не могут выбрать цель за пределами облака, а враги вне облака не могут выбрать цель внутри облака. Союзники внутри облака получают на 10% меньше урона.

Аура

Дымовая шашка

Облако дыма мешает выбрать цель.
Союзники получают уменьшенный урон.
Осталось: 5 секунды

Описание заклинания

Длительность

5 секунды

Школа

Физический урон

Механика

нет

Тип рассеивания

нет

Категория ГКД

Обычный

Цена

Нет

Радиус действия

0 метров (Self)

Применение

Мгновенное действие

Восстановление

3 мин

ГКД

1 секунда

Эффект

Create Area Trigger (1461)

Флаги

Гайды

Assassination Rogue Utility Page

Combat Rogue Utility Page

Raid and Class cooldown list.

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