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Всем кто ждет дренор, не верьте слухам что уберут этот спелл.
Вот тема где один из близзардов описал все расовые что поменялись или удалились(все расовые которые небыли описаны в теме, остались без изменений).
http://eu.battle.net/wow/ru/forum/topic/9888769514

Комментарий от KINGORG

Близзарды! Уберите эту читерную способность! Из-за неё в Воде половина Орды ливнёт, все нагибаторы из Орды из-за неё перешли за Альянс, мало того что Орда будет своих предков убивать так ещё и это!

Not having to equip your trinket is a great addition to the game. You always have access to this ability without having to always ensure that your PvP trinket is equipped in any situation where you are likely, or even possibly, going to lose control of your character. In PvE it has its uses too, which is possibly why Blizzard have decided to give us this as a skill. Anything that replaces a trinket is good!

LoKHor

Комментарий от Matt646

This shares a cooldown with your PVP Trinket

Комментарий от Akivasha

It has the same abilities as the Insignia/Medaillon of the Alliance:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=18854

Even the wording is identical. But it has already the 2 minute cooldown, now I do not have to bother to spend much fame on the better Medaillon of the Alliance anymore.

The dreaded "Will of the Forsaken" http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=7744 now seems to be weaker, but it does not share a cooldown with the PvP trinket, so it still has its uses.

Комментарий от cfeuer1

" Races: Human"

says nothing about being bound to humans in the spell page. but wowhead says so. sweet.

Комментарий от sgottolo

it's true that you gain a trinket slot for free, but keep in mind that you will lose ton of resilience from the pvp trinket. 45 resilience at Lv 70 it's something that i wouldn't pass so easily.

for example, a brutal geared warrior with all the offset has exactly 399 resilience, without using resilience gems. taking away 45 resilience is a lot. Rogues have usually a bit more resiliece, and removing the pvp medallion will cause them to dump the cheat death effect. seems like a double-edged sword.

Комментарий от Synral

Every Man For Himself is more powerful than any other racial in the game, as I argued in a beta forum post (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679403850&postId=96785447919&sid=2000#0).

As trinkets get better, creative Humans (read: those who can see beyond the "resilience is all I see in PVP" mentality) are going to become significantly more powerful than any other race. Skilled arena players aren't bound to the PVP Trinket because it has Resilience. They're bound to its ability to prevent a 100-0 CC stunlock. If they can do that without the PVP trinket, they're free to combine any trinkets they wish.

Practical Example: Imagine this combination on a Human Priest who is a Jewelcrafter:

111 Spell Power and 3.4k health on click (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=42132)
+
71 stam, 2 red gem slots (54 resil, with two Mystic Dragon's Eye), and 6 second snare immunity/30% speed increase (http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=42341)

How would a mere 30 resil (the difference between equipping the level 80 PVP trinket or the gemmed Ruby Hare) compare to that trinket combination? A touch of creativity (and tradeskill cash) gives our hypothetical Human Priest significant survivability and kite resistance, for the cost of only 30 resil.

And those are *launch trinkets* - imagine how powerful Icecrown Citadel trinkets will be.

No other racial scales at the same level. Every Man For Himself should be reworked or removed.

Комментарий от sicl33tskillz

Re-buff will of the forsaken, or remove/rework this

Комментарий от POINGjam

I was all up in arms until I read that it shares a cooldown with the trinket. It's still a bit ridiculous, but after level 30 or so when everyone has the PvP trinket, it won't be so overpowered.

Комментарий от nilof

I'd still say it is a very good ability for battlegounds as a reroll, where the length of a cooldown matters a lot, 5 minutes cooldown(on the cheapest PvP trinket) means that the current PvP trinket gets used roughly thrice in a BG(depends on the length of the BG which varies with the servers) while 2 minutes means it would be used 7-8 times in the same BG, depending on how often you get stunned, and reduces the number of "do I really want to blow this cooldown now" moments.

It is also a nice trinket for rerolls *points at death knights* as it reduces their arena startup time by providing them with a free trinket slightly reducing the rep grind.

It also means that you can use it twice or more in an arena(again, compared with the entry level trinket, it won't apply to hgh end PvPers), and it is also obviously useful whenever you don't have your PvP trinket equiped, which would be quite often for PvEers and obviously leveling which we will all be forced to experience at launch. It is also very useful for Tanks in PvE to prevent CCs like WotF when a shaman or a priest isn't available or for healers in fights with an AoE CC like maiden, and as such makes humans hands down the best class for PvE as they still have their rep bonus (that actually reduces the ammount they have to farm by 9.1%, not 10%, if you do the math) and now get an in-combat ability as well.

However, the by far most useful effect of this racial is that it will compete with escape artist for the "best melee racial" spot and will prevent too many gnomes from rolling death knights, and I'm beginning to wonder if giving another race a good melee racial wasn't blizzard's plan all along, as the general consensus among players is that gnome death knights are not really the most elegant race/class combination.

Комментарий от Aouts

is this a joke..
okie bliz said. we remove perception in use, that was kind op in arena(vs stealth teams) and said...
okie lets put them something more op..
that racial share cd with pvp trinket.so basically nobody will use it. all humans gonna prefer add the loss of resilence in a socket and gain the full effect of a 2nd trinket

rofl this is more op .anything else for humans?oo

Комментарий от merlozulueta

Comparing Several Racial Abilities of some Races:

Gnomes - Removing any movement impair effects, and doesn't share cooldown with the PvP Trinket.

Undead - Removing any charm, fear and sleep effects and doesn't share cooldown with the PvP Trinket.

This is just to match with the Trolls and Orcs having such berserk abilities.

These really match their equivalence:
Tauren -- Night Elf (Stun Vs Stealth)
Orc -- Human (Fury Vs Control)
Troll -- Gnome (Berserk Vs Escape)
Undead -- Dwarf (Will Vs Rock)
Blood Elf -- Draenei (Silence Vs Heal)

For me, this causes a good balance in the game. Have fun humans! :)

Комментарий от SvendTofte

Most people here talk about PvP, but also think of the ramifications of this in PvE. Human tanks will be able to avoid stuns that could otherwise lead to massive incoming damage. Think of all the encounters that involves some loss of control.

Gouge getting your healers and DPS owned? This will break it.
Boss or trash think it's fun to stun you and lay down the pwnage on you? This will break it.
Getting MCed? This will break it.

Now of course, some PvE mechanics override socalled immunity effects (you can't bubble/trinket/iceblock out of the MC of Black Heart the Inciter, second boss of SL), but this still has huge applications in PvE.

Комментарий от TheFunk

This racial is already making me cry and it hasn't even been implemented yet...

Комментарий от Brawndo

This would be a case of a racial scaling with gear. As your trinket options expand, this racial becomes worth the difference between the pvp trinket and the best DPS trinket you can find next to, say, the new battle master trinkets.

Humans no longer dominate rogues, but this racial is useful against every class.

Комментарий от Rezzo

On the current PTR build that has this added racial they have also lowered the expertise on both sword and mace mastery from 5 to 3, perception is passive but also no nearly as effective as it was before.
And as it was stated earlier this skill does have the same CD as the pvp trinkets as well as a few others. So its pretty balanced right now.

Комментарий от Spikefox

Well, you can see that blizzard has spent some time fixing/tweaking other racial abilities, Im confused in what they are thinking.
Many see Will of the Forsaken as the best PvP ability, but if you look at Humans Perception its not very far behind really and adding a 2nd useable trinket with stats for Humans due to their Movement Impairing trinket is now found in the spellbook is just weird.
This if anything will make Humans imbalanced in Arena for sure, due to 2 very highly "ranked" PvP racials...
I got my Undead and Orc charachters, and all changes Ive seen to those is the needed removal of 50% healing reduction on Blood Fury. (Im not saying that they need something better, both races, Im just saying that the rest of the races needs some attention aswell aside from only humans)

Комментарий от aluxendr

Too bad they nerfed Perception to the point where it isn't really useful, and also nerfed our weapon skills and spirit bonus.

Worth the nerf imo, its a good racial, but they did rebalance human racials well. No huge reason for other races to cry foul play.

And besides....Humans are the best race ^^

Комментарий от Fistdantilus

A melee class not standing near its' target can't hit its' target. Thus, DPS = 0.

This is the reason that Escape Artist is still worlds better than this for melee, by a wide margin.

Which is too bad, because I don't want my DK to be a gnome. =(

Комментарий от Shaper

huh? what are you talking about?

this removes every type of cc...

yes, but a gnome still have 2x snares/roots breaks every 2 mins (escape artist + trinket)

Комментарий от tom226

only 2 diffrence between wotf and emfh is:
1.) trinket cd
2.) wotf gives u a 5 sec immuanite

but if u think about it it makes sense as most of the undead are dead humans it wold explain where wotf come from :)

Комментарий от Returner99

It's... the... FUZZY BALL! :')

(For those of you who didn't know, the animation of this is what used to be displayed when casting Detect Traps as a Rogue, back when it wasn't a passive ability. There even was a tribute on Youtube for loosing the "fuzzy ball")

Комментарий от eazdazi

And I guess along with this skill, human priests become more preferable at PvP than the dwarves. With racial priest spells gone, the only good racial that is left for dwarves is the stoneform and it is not anywere near what humans have.

Комментарий от Sherif

As always,Humans are the annointed race....I thought for a while that this is a balanced game !

Комментарий от Vayus

Nobody has noted this yet, but as you start out with the equivalent of a 70 trinket balanced for level 70 PvP (with a 2 minute cooldown), humans are now the best race for twinks by leaps and bounds. Other races will have to settle for a 5-minute trinket. Undead and gnomes, eat your hearts out.

Комментарий от verso

why i have a feeling this is going to be nerfed to 5 min CD?

Комментарий от wizmike

Your example leads to different conclusions from a more clarified view.
1. Considering your trinket examples, we can go ahead and compare- 30 resilience versus 71 stamina and the 30% run increase for 6 seconds on a 3 min cd. We could estimate 30 resilience to be worth around 50 stamina, leaving the human racial equivalent to 21 stamina and 30% run increase for 6 seconds on a 3 min cd. Considering that most PvP players already move at 8-15% increased speed, and the very short duration, this definitely does not look like a strong racial in your example.

2. Nearly all racials scale with level and gear now, so this point is moot. But wait- does this racial even scale? As we've seen in TBC, they have continually updated the PvP trinket with additional resilience. By the time you get your epic trinket from Icecrown, there will likely be a PvP trinket with an increased amount of resilience, equivalent in item budget. Leading to the conclusion that this racial does not scale in PvP.

What you will get out of this in PvP situations is simple- the value in terms of item budget for the 2 minute cooldown effect on PvP trinkets, as well as being able to choose between stats and abilities on an available trinket. That choice doesn't seem valuable to me, though, because resilience is always a safe bet in PvP.

Aside from battlegrounds and arenas, this is truly a wonderful racial, whether it's leveling or raiding, saving you from powerful mob abilities (8 second basilisk stuns) or from that rogue that snuck up on you while farming, when you wouldn't have a pvp trinket already prepared to use. Also very good for characters below 70, who wouldn't even have access to the two minute trinket.

Комментарий от Daavee

This does not remove every effect which causes loss of control of your character.

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=19369 is not removed by it.

Edit to add: Apparently nothing has ever dispelled this debuff, apart from paladin bubble and mage Ice Block I assume.

Комментарий от haloce

From a PvP aspect, this racial is unbelievable. In an environment where you should always have your PvP trinket (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42123)equipped, this is technically a 3rd trinket slot. And in turn, better than any DPS/HPS racial in the game.

A quick example:

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40532 or http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40258 > http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28880

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40531 > http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20554

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39257 > http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=33697

The difference only grows as better and more trinkets are implemented.

Yes, you lose a little resilience from an "actual" PvP trinket, but it is a direct slap in the face to PvP Draenei, Trolls, and Orcs come end-game. And I'm sure many would argue that in many PvP situations where you need to maximize DPS or HPS an extra trinket is far better than Escape Artist, Stoneform, or the unreliable War Stomp.

Комментарий от bbque

Wow, right when I quit wow (had a human warrior) Blizzard had to add this racial ... O well :P

Комментарий от glycereth

I suspect this racial would be nerfed.

With quite a few racials nerfed, Horde have lost its colors.

Alliance:

Humans - Currently the race with the best racials in the game.

* Every Man for Himself - Unbelievably huge boost PVP wise, and almost just as useful PVE wise for any role in raids(tank/healer/dps).
* Perception - Long existing racial that could pretty much decide a win or loss Arena match. Combining this with Night Elf's Shadowmeld, it is unbelievably powerful in teamwork play for Battlegrounds and Arena.
-

Dwarves - Average racials, Slgihtly better than other races with average racials due to the fact that Dwarves uses a self-buff racial.

* Stoneform - Decent existing talent for any class, especially for tanking, acts as an emergency button.
-

Night Elves - Once the race possessing the best racials in the game, overshadowed by Humans now with the introduction of Every Man for Himself, still arguably the 2nd or 3rd best race in the game, with Orc closing in.

* Quickness - Quite a huge boost from the previous racial - 2% dodge, now affect both Melee and Ranged attacks, considering the implement of diminishing returns for dodge/parry/block, it is current the best tanking racial.
* Shadowmeld - Existing racial that would provide you the perfect chance to get an opener in any battleground while defending. For Arena, Night Elf casters can get a free drink time much longer than any other race.
-

Draenei - The Draenei provides the best PVE racials in the game, there is nothing to argue about.

* Gift of the Naaru - Free heal every 3mins, though can be dispelled, it is still a powerful racial both PVP and PVE wise, due to its scaling with +spellpower and +attackpower.
* Heroic Presence - Awesome buff for raiding and a decent buff for Arena.
-

Horde:

Orcs - The best of Horde, but the benefit depends on the choice of class, though it has quite some powerful racials however, most of them are only good for dps.

* Blood Fury - Huge buff after the -healing taken debuff is removed, providing Orcs with a free tiny dps trinket-like ability.
* Command - Depending on the classes, another huge passive self dps buff, but absolutely useless for any other classes, e.g. Warrior/Rogue/Shaman.
* Hardiness - Once the greatest PVP racial with 15% resist instead of duration reduction, slightly below average now due to the already available talents/gems to reduce duration/resist stuns.
-

Tauren - Arguably the worst race, with Gnomes a close call, Endurance nerf will lower its value even more.

* Endurance - Once arguably the best tanking/PVP racial, nerfed, though it still provide a decent amount, it is now close to not noticable.
* Warstomp - Below average stun with 8 yard range limit plus a 0.5sec casting time, almost worthless now due to the fact that it is resisted/avoided almost 50% of the time.
-

Trolls - Once the worst race ever in WoW history, finally getting some well deserved buffs that is needed.

* Beserking - Removing the health % efficiency to making full use of berserking will be the best news for all the Darkspear Tribe, excellent for any circumstances, classes.
* Da Voodoo Shuffle - A rather semi-useful racial, but a welcome one, 15% reduction to snare durations, though rather pointless in PVE situations, a handy passive racial to have for PVP.
-

Undead - The most feared PVP race of all time suffered a heavy nerf to WotF, now it is only an above average race, though the use of combinating WotF and Insignia would still be interesting.

* Cannibalize - Similar to Draenei's GotN, but not quite, a channeled spell that requires an enemy's corpse, making it too situational, a free bandage nonetheless.
* Will of the Forsaken - Heavily nerfed, once the most powerful racial against classes with Fear, making them to fear the forsaken race instead. With the 4 second immunity period removed, it is still a decent racial, similar to the new Every Man for Himself, but only removes 3 effects, though 2 of the 3 effects will almost never exist in PVP on undeads.
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Blood Elves - The Horde's 'new' race Blood Elf, has some unique racials, however, it is only average in any sense.

* Arcane Torrent - Mana tap removed, no longer able to drain mana(just a tiny bit though), but restores 15 runic power for Death Knights. A decent and unique tanking racial for DKs, however, the runic power is useless for all other classes. An extra silencing effect in melee range may look useful but not too powerful.
* Magic Resistance - A great tanking racial for paladins, since DKs are customed to be magic tank, any more resistance would not be needed. Acts as a counter for Draenei's Heroic Presence, but this only affect the owner, not an aura.
-

In conclusion, Alliance are fundamentally superior to Horde for both PVP and PVE in any sense.

Комментарий от Quacksaw

Uh...

Arcane Torrent restores 6% mana if you have mana and 15% energy if you're a rogue.

Lol.

Комментарий от glycereth

I suspect this racial would be nerfed.

With quite a few racials nerfed, Horde have lost its colors.

Alliance:

Humans - Currently the race with the best racials in the game.

* Every Man for Himself - Unbelievably huge boost PVP wise, and almost just as useful PVE wise for any role in raids(tank/healer/dps).
* Perception - Long existing racial that could pretty much decide a win or loss Arena match. Combining this with Night Elf's Shadowmeld, it is unbelievably powerful in teamwork play for Battlegrounds and Arena.
-

Dwarves - Average racials, Slgihtly better than other races with average racials due to the fact that Dwarves uses a self-buff racial.

* Stoneform - Decent existing talent for any class, especially for tanking, acts as an emergency button.
-

Night Elves - Once the race possessing the best racials in the game, overshadowed by Humans now with the introduction of Every Man for Himself, still arguably the 2nd or 3rd best race in the game, with Orc closing in.

* Quickness - Quite a huge boost from the previous racial - 2% dodge, now affect both Melee and Ranged attacks, considering the implement of diminishing returns for dodge/parry/block, it is current the best tanking racial.
* Shadowmeld - Existing racial that would provide you the perfect chance to get an opener in any battleground while defending. For Arena, Night Elf casters can get a free drink time much longer than any other race.
-

Draenei - The Draenei provides the best PVE racials in the game, there is nothing to argue about.

* Gift of the Naaru - Free heal every 3mins, though can be dispelled, it is still a powerful racial both PVP and PVE wise, due to its scaling with +spellpower and +attackpower.
* Heroic Presence - Awesome buff for raiding and a decent buff for Arena.
-

Horde:

Orcs - The best of Horde, but the benefit depends on the choice of class, though it has quite some powerful racials however, most of them are only good for dps.

* Blood Fury - Huge buff after the -healing taken debuff is removed, providing Orcs with a free tiny dps trinket-like ability.
* Command - Depending on the classes, another huge passive self dps buff, but absolutely useless for any other classes, e.g. Warrior/Rogue/Shaman.
* Hardiness - Once the greatest PVP racial with 15% resist instead of duration reduction, slightly below average now due to the already available talents/gems to reduce duration/resist stuns.
-

Tauren - Arguably the worst race, with Gnomes a close call, Endurance nerf will lower its value even more.

* Endurance - Once arguably the best tanking/PVP racial, nerfed, though it still provide a decent amount, it is now close to not noticable.
* Warstomp - Below average stun with 8 yard range limit plus a 0.5sec casting time, almost worthless now due to the fact that it is resisted/avoided almost 50% of the time.
-

Trolls - Once the worst race ever in WoW history, finally getting some well deserved buffs that is needed.

* Beserking - Removing the health % efficiency to making full use of berserking will be the best news for all the Darkspear Tribe, excellent for any circumstances, classes.
* Da Voodoo Shuffle - A rather semi-useful racial, but a welcome one, 15% reduction to snare durations, though rather pointless in PVE situations, a handy passive racial to have for PVP.
-

Undead - The most feared PVP race of all time suffered a heavy nerf to WotF, now it is only an above average race, though the use of combinating WotF and Insignia would still be interesting.

* Cannibalize - Similar to Draenei's GotN, but not quite, a channeled spell that requires an enemy's corpse, making it too situational, a free bandage nonetheless.
* Will of the Forsaken - Heavily nerfed, once the most powerful racial against classes with Fear, making them to fear the forsaken race instead. With the 4 second immunity period removed, it is still a decent racial, similar to the new Every Man for Himself, but only removes 3 effects, though 2 of the 3 effects will almost never exist in PVP on undeads.
-

Blood Elves - The Horde's 'new' race Blood Elf, has some unique racials, however, it is only average in any sense.

* Arcane Torrent - Mana tap removed, no longer able to drain mana(just a tiny bit though), but restores 15 runic power for Death Knights, 15 energy for rogues, 6% BASE mana for casters. An extra silencing effect in melee range may look useful but not powerful.
* Magic Resistance - A great tanking racial for paladins, since DKs are customed to be magic tank, any more resistance would not be needed. Acts as a counter for Draenei's Heroic Presence, but this only affect the owner, not an aura.
-

PS: I did include Gnomes, though not seperately, it is mentioned at the Tauren section.

In conclusion, Alliance are fundamentally superior to Horde for both PVP and PVE in any sense.

Комментарий от Kartu84

Dude, don't double post just because you got down-rated. It's annoying >=/ Edit your own post and reply to the reply so we know the editing happened.

...

Though I do applaud you for the dedication to compile that monster post, whether I agree with the ratings that races and their abilities were given.

Комментарий от pinktoque

GI Joooooooooooooooooooooooe

Комментарий от Tanaburs

What he meant with this incredibly biased post is - I rolled horde cause their racial where the best by a LARGE margin, nowadays it`s almost balanced - humans are on the strong side now, who could tell.

The fact that the OP said escape artist and warstomp are WEAK makes any criticism quite overkill...

Комментарий от Justerin

Bugged thing... Too often gives you error like 'You can't use it while stunned/feared etc', usually when you hit it within a short period of time after been CCed

Комментарий от Gleamscythe

Honestly, every player should have a natural "Trinket"

Комментарий от protossadv

does this racial trigger global cooldown like other racials?
or does it not like the the pvp trinket?

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Long time user of wowhead, first time poster. Never felt compelled to enter a discussion before.

With respect, those of you arguing that this racial trait unbalances the game or needs nerfing are getting upset about nothing. You're also very badly mistaken.

While it's true that humans do get a great number of racial traits, they've all been nerfed substantially. Perception, as Brawndo noted, no longer owns rogues. It barely alters stealth dynamics at all. +3% spirit is as close to useless as these things come. The sword and mace 'mastery', frankly, is rubbish. All three combined scarcely scratch a trait such as gift of the naaru, berserking, blood fury, or the godly war stomp.

Part of the reason you're upset, Synral, is the odd position where medallion of the alliance/insignia of the horde is needed for arena battles, thus restricting other races in the arena from what you perceive as increasingly lucrative trinket options. Every Man for Himself is nothing to do with trinkets, really. It's to do with an added layer of protection against stun, mind control and fear effects. That's all. The only reason it irks you is because stun is currently too effective, and Blizzard haven't been able to come up with an alternative design that doesn't underpower the average rogue. I suspect they will, though. They're cunning, like that.

In the meantime, I stand by my position. Humans remain grossly underpowered in PvE, and are now viable in the arena. It isn't an advantage to be viable. It's simple necessity. Humans as a whole, IMO, remain less powerful than Orc, Tauren, Troll or Blood Elf. And will remain so as long as a greater percentage of people prefer to play 'heroic' characters than those who have been traditionally, villains.

Комментарий от Hiroshi

Every Man for Himself is nothing to do with trinkets, really. It's to do with an added layer of protection against stun, mind control and fear effects. That's all.

Uh... what? The trinket's purpose is that, and this replaces the trinket. So yes, this has everything to do with trinkets. Funny though, cause you made that point better than I could, despite your intent to dispel that perspective.

Clearly you play or have played a human main. You're certainly Alliance if you're using the phrase "godly war stomp" (any veteran of the Horde knows the hype of war stomp is grossly overstated). You also seem to be PVE-centric since you don't understand the severe PVP ramifications of this ability.

More importantly, any veteran of both factions knows that the great difference between racial traits lies in PVP. PVE is not as major a factor, where racials are more of a convenience for isolated scenarios rather than a necessity (Stoneform on Moroes, for example, or WOTF on Nefarion, though Alliance had the superior version of Fear Ward then).

You're trying to compare Humans to the Horde as a whole, which is entirely unbalanced (even if it did support your point, which it doesn't). When you more objectively compare the Alliance (Gift of the Naaru, Stoneform, Escape Artist, Shadowmeld, EMFH) to the Horde (Blood Fury, Berserking, War Stomp, Arcane Torrent, WOTF), your argument really doesn't hold up at all. Especially considering, which I suspect you haven't, the near blanket racial nerf Horde has recently received (with Taurens next on the chopping block).

Humans are now the premiere PVP class.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Avoid saying 'clearly' unless it really is clear. I don't generally play humans. They've been, traditionally, far too weak. I play Night Elf or Forsaken. I'm familiar with humans because I've played the others, all of them, at one point or another.

I play on a PvP server. The majority view may be that PvP is the most important aspect of WoW, but it's a game. PvE is most of the game. After playing like a PvP twink for a long time, I've come to realise that. It's a lot more fun. But that's irrelevant.

Counterintuitively, the majority opinion is often incorrect. That you would judge me, based purely on my holding an opinion contrary to the majority viewpoint, only shows how pervasive such opinions can become. Rhetoric makes you sound smart to people stupider than yourself, but if you want to sound smart to people who are smarter than average, use actual arguments.

Now, for the discussion. Understand that I don't normally engage in debates. I'm only doing so with you because you sound fairly articulate. More so than the majority. The majority sees the words 'free trinket slot' and imagines what trinkets might exist. I know what trinkets exist. I also know that war stomp is, in fact, godly. I've used it. It's the best racial in the game for almost any class, giving a means of stun to those who can't inflict it and an additional stun to those who can. Stun is wonderfully overpowered, which is why I suggested that the angst toward EMFH is largely misdirected. People are only angry because they are forced to use a single miserable trinket for every battleground and arena, and now, humans are not. This is, for lack of a better word, stupid. One should not *have* to use a specific piece of equipment to remain viable. And if you didn't, I doubt very much whether you'd feel the same way about EMFH. First step, realise what it is you're actually angry about. I've done it. Feels great.

It's entirely possible that Taurens will be nerfed. I'd be sad about that - nerfs often take away from what makes a race distinct. Human especially - they used to have 10% spirit bonus, and made wonderful priests. Not any more. But the key point is this: On PvE servers, more people play human (and alliance in general) than on PvP servers. PvP servers are much more balanced. When world PvP is an option, lots of people that would otherwise have chosen alliance, choose horde.

Tell you what: if in a couple months the arena is dominated by humans, I'll concede that you're right. I'll even write to bliz asking that they be nerfed, as I imagine thousands will be. But it hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it's going to happen. Not because humans are uncommon - every jack 14 year old wants to play a human. There are so many of them that blizz can't afford to make them overpowered - just look at the complaints when they're not overtly weakened!

Комментарий от Moomoootwo

Counterintuitively, the majority opinion is often incorrect. That you would judge me, based purely on my holding an opinion contrary to the majority viewpoint, only shows how pervasive such opinions can become. Rhetoric makes you sound smart to people stupider than yourself, but if you want to sound smart to people who are smarter than average, use actual arguments.

I wish more politicians could be as smart as this person. Quality arguments supporting a valid point. I just wish I could rate this person up more than once.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Regarding EMFH being nothing to do with trinkets, I'll just say this - a trinket can feasibly do anything, and now or in the future could be a fair approximation of any racial trait. Thus, by the EMFH detractor's logic, every racial trait is about trinkets. Every racial trait 'frees up' a trinket slot that could otherwise have been used to perform that effect. The offence of EMFH is not about freeing up a trinket slot, it's about performing a task that has become so eerily vital that everyone equips a trinket just to do it. Do you follow?

Комментарий от Rasz

Your argument boils down to this: the human racial is not overpowered because PvP trinkets *shouldn't* be required to be competitive and because Taurens have a "wonderfully overpowered" stun. However, the fact remains that the PvP trinket is necessary in any competitive PvP environment. Too much of the PvP system has been designed around crowd control effects and stuns for this to be changed (try to imagine a warlock without fear or a hunter without traps). The fact that you see war stomp as overpowered *because* it is a stun undercuts your entire argument and really proves the contrary point. If stun is overpowered, what is the value of a racial that cancels a stun, as well as fear, blind, cyclone, sheep, and snares and roots generally. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man rules, and in the world of stuns, a free racial ability to clear all stuns (and ccs) will make Humans rule the PvP scene.

Looking at it from another angle, as most have pointed out, this is essentially a 3rd trinket slot in PvP situations. Imagine the power of two attack trinkets, say a proc'ing trinket like Mirror of Truth (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40684) and then an on-use trinket like Loatheb's Shadow (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39257). Its not just the additional trinket slot, it's the synergy it allows. Mirror of Truth proc's regularly within a rogue's stunlock for 1000 extra AP. Add that to Loatheb's Shadow and you have an AP bonus of 1670 (plus 168 crit) at the start of every fight. This is the difference between a decently geared rogue having 3400 AP and 5000AP during stunlock. Ouch. Now imagine the cold blood eviscerate at the end of the stun.

If you, rightfully, treat this racial as a third trinket slot in PvP, it is overpowered, so much so that I think the use of the word "clearly" is warranted. If Humans were given a racial ability that allowed them to increase their AP by 1000 every ten seconds randomly on hit with a 1 minute cooldown (Mirror of Truth) or one that allowed them to gain 16 AP on hit, stacking up to 20 times (Fury of the Five Flights) (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40431) while in PvP, the entire game would be in an uproar. This amounts to the same thing with some upfront work required to get the high end trinkets.

And as to the contention that if there are so many of something Blizzard can't afford to have them be overpowered, I refer you to Paladins, Hunters, and Death Knights.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

you make a good argument. I'll concede that this must be defended as the game is now rather than as it should be. Let me then try to make such a defence.

This has been repeatedly characterised as a free trinket slot, and your argument is that it is, in essence, a stealth trinket slot. I disagree. I think I have made clear my reasons. It is an effect that is exceptionally useful in PvP, but it is not a free slot. Any other character can still sacrifice their medallion/insignia and have the same number of slots as a human. It is thus not a trinket slot, but an effect that is extremely desirable in PvP at this time. Perhaps, as you say, always.

What is it that is wrong with this? Every race has an effect that is desirable in PvP. As it stands, undead can remove sleep, fear or charm effects and then use a medallion/insignia, without a shared cooldown. Humans are thus inferior to undead against sleep, fear and charm effects. The Gnomish effect is clearly weaker, but then Gnomes have the highly desirable passive which grants +5% to intellect.

I'm not adverse to changing my mind. As things stand, though, I think you're wrong. Humans are not going to unbalance the game with this effect. But why argue? If you're right, it'll become increasingly obvious in game. And by obvious, I don't mean, it's overpowered because that human used it against me. I mean, it'll come out in the arena stats. And blizzard, who are always watching, will change it.

Edit:
What "clearly" was being used for was, essentially, to say that I am "clearly" a noob who only uses alliance and mostly uses humans, and thus loves them and wants them to have bloodlust, warstomp and four trinket slots, as well as six arms for the great DPS boost. All exaggeration my own. Personally, I preferred it when humans had an active perception that semi-countered vanish, instead of a nebulous ability that doesn't do anything unique. But this isn't about my personal preferences. It's about blizzard's balance attempts. And in terms of pure game balance, there is nothing wrong with this trait.

Final Edit:
Paladins and Hunters used to be overpowered - back when they were called huntards. I don't think it's the case any more. The new in-crowd are Warriors and Rogues - Warriors partly because of Rogues. But the game is much more well balanced overall, I feel. Even Death Knights, which most people think are overpowered until they play them and study them, aren't really all that. Of course, you might have done both, and arrived at that conclusion. Disagreement is what makes WoW a great game.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Anyway, just as polite warning, I won't be discussing this further. I've got to perfect my warlock build, after all. Arguing it out for hours doesn't sound like fun. Rasz, you do make a good argument, and you are correct that I cannot defend the trait based on how the game should be. Let's wait and see how humans fare, long term.

If you'll forgive the blasphemy, I'd also like to take this opportunity to invite you to consider that PvP trinkets are not, in fact, essential. It's just that the PvP trinket gives you room to make one mistake every two minutes. I've only ever thought of it as required equipment for certain builds, and certainly overused and over-relied upon - just like resilience. As you've pointed out, there are plenty of very strong trinket options.

Orcs and Paladins can reduce stun length sufficiently to mess up any attempt at stun-lock. If anyone wants to discuss builds that can use the holy grail of two free choice trinkets in PvP (other than humans), I'd be happy to. To get you started, here's two ideas: Beast Mastery hunters can make themselves immune to stun for 18 seconds. If you're not concerned with Arena stunlocks, Alchemy provides Free Action Potions. These provide 30 second protection against all stuns, roots and snares. I'm sure there's other options. I think humans are sort of underpowered - as I pointed out in my first post, they've only just become viable for PvP. They're a long, long way from being the "premier PvP race". If you're not too worried about resilience, shadow resist gear can render a character virtually immune to fear - and this is far more useful to most players than removing a fear effect which can be cast again 1.5 seconds later.

Think creatively. It's very sad when all L80 characters end up searching for similar PvP gear.

Lastly, but by no means least, thank you, Moomoo, for the kind words!

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Anyway, just as polite warning, I won't be discussing this further. I've got to perfect my warlock build, after all. Arguing it out for hours doesn't sound like fun. Rasz, you do make a good argument, and you are correct that I cannot defend the trait based on how the game should be. Let's wait and see how humans fare, long term.

If you'll forgive the blasphemy, consider that PvP trinkets are not, in fact, as essential as conventional wisdom suggests, and thus, EMFH is not a free trinket slot to those of us who use the medallion/insignia only in certain builds.

All the PvP trinket does is give you room to make one mistake every two minutes. As you've pointed out, there are plenty of very strong trinket options. The PvP trinket provides almost no protection against fear or polymorph, both of which can be immediately recast. It's only a panic button for stun. To achieve the holy grail or two free choice trinkets, consider the options:

Orcs and Paladins can both reduce stun length, by 20 and 30%. Rogues can reduce damage taken while stunned. Beast Mastery hunters can make themselves immune to all forms of crowd control for 18 seconds. The much maligned Bladestorm makes you immune to crowd control for 6 seconds. Blink will remove a stun effect. Dispersion (shadow priest) can be cast when stunned or afraid and reduces all damage taken by 90%. There are others I can't remember at this time. Areas of effect abilities can remove Rogues from stealth, denying them cheap shot. Faerie Fire can prevent them vanishing. Stuns (usually) rely on being close, so the enhanced movement of Rogues, Paladins, Shamans, Hunters and (cat) Druids should not be ignored, either.

If you're not concerned with Arena battles, of course, the best option by far is good old Alchemy. Free Action Potions provide 30 second protection against all stuns, roots and snares.

And, thank you, Moomoo, for the kind words!

Комментарий от kylex3

EMFH is probably the best racial In PvP. You can get the extra stats from wearing the DPS or extra Healing trinkets that you would normally wear in PvE and not worry about wearing a . It is worth the 84 resilience loss.

For any non-human a PvP trinket is vital for most arena matches and you can't afford to not wear it since it is not possible to swap trinkets in Arenas. Another advantage as a human is you won't have to swap to your trinket and wait 30 seconds for a duel if you are switching from your pve gear to pvp gear.

This also helps in certain boss fights for tanks if they need to break a fear/ice tomb.

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To the poster above me pfft, in pvp, war stomp is only 'godly' to druids and shamans but only when controlled stuns are not causing dr so that they could follow it up with a cyclone or hex.

It shares DR with bash, charge stun, kidney shot(3.0.8),cheap shot(3.0.3), concussion blow, gnaw, hammer of justice, impact,intercept, intimidation,pounce,shadowfury, shockwave, and other war stomps, its not the best for pvp obviously the emfh racial is.. there's no DR problem when you get the choice of your two trinkets and nab a nasty 1670 ap when mirror of truth + your choice 670 ap trinket is used

Комментарий от Hiroshi

Counterintuitively, the majority opinion is often incorrect. That you would judge me, based purely on my holding an opinion contrary to the majority viewpoint, only shows how pervasive such opinions can become. Rhetoric makes you sound smart to people stupider than yourself, but if you want to sound smart to people who are smarter than average, use actual arguments.

I wish more politicians could be as smart as this person. Quality arguments supporting a valid point. I just wish I could rate this person up more than once.
Considering the source of the first statement and then its subsequent reply, the irony in this exchange is hilarious.

To the poster above me pfft, in pvp, war stomp is only 'godly' to druids and shamans but only when controlled stuns are not causing dr so that they could follow it up with a cyclone or hex.

It shares DR with bash, charge stun, kidney shot(3.0.8),cheap shot(3.0.3), concussion blow, gnaw, hammer of justice, impact,intercept, intimidation,pounce,shadowfury, shockwave, and other war stomps, its not the best for pvp obviously the emfh racial is.. there's no DR problem when you get the choice of your two trinkets and nab a nasty 1670 ap when mirror of truth + your choice 670 ap trinket is used

Exactly. Thank you.

Комментарий от Zanazua

Just cuz idiot steorid muscle human whines at forum idiot BlizzTARD Puts in an overpowered 200% OP ''racial''.

Комментарий от ShiroMage

The rep racial doesn't even "help" in PvP. It just helps to get rewards.

As for the stealth detection racial, it doesn't help as much as it used to when Perception was a 20 sec. duration ability.

You'll be able to see them probably 1 more yard ahead of you, but what I've noticed is that you maintain sight of a stealthed character for some time even with your back turned before they disappear again.

I could expect them to increase the CD on this considering this gives humans another so-called "trinket slot".

Комментарий от Jhash

Everyone is so snowed in on PvP and how good or bad it is for that. What about PvE? You don't wear a PvP trinket in most PvE fights so ignore that. This racial is WotF and Escape Artist combined, plus stun and incapacitation removal. No matter what you get thrown at you, you just press a button and move on, while gnomes and undeads have very specialized uses for their racials. Gnomes racial may have 15 seconds less CD, but I don't think that makes much of a difference.

What would be nice was if they reduced the CD on WoTF and EA to 40-45 seconds, but made it trigger a 45s CD on the PvP trinket. That would make AE and WotF a bit closer to the usefulness of EMFH in PvE.

Edit: Missed the earlier post about PvE.

Комментарий от Drlnsanity

I completely agree with Deshinta, humans aren't getting a free pvp trinket, theyre getting a free non pvp trinket at the cost of a racial ability (and a racial ability is more likley going to be of more help in pvp than a non pvp trinket)

I'm having a hard time deciding to roll DK as human or gnome because of this.

Комментарий от SenthaiOverlord

I'm generally not a QQer, but I think this should seriously get hit with a nerfbat. At least increase the cooldown on this, otherwise everybody will roll human.

Комментарий от Camthra

Due to this racial, a creative blood/frost human DK may be one of the best PvP class race combos in the game when it comes to breaking CC.

Let's list their anti-CC abilities shall we?

EMFH- an initial trinket, capable of removing almost any CC. 2 minute cooldown (as opposed to the 5 minute CD of a "normal trinket". This also frees a trinket slot, which can be used for one of many incredibly useful items.)

Icebound Fort.- an anti-stun ability which also reduces damage taken by 20%

Hysteria- Increases your damage dealt, and also deals 1% of your maximum health every second (can be used by a clever player to break, blind, poly... ect)

Lichborne- similar to the previous WotF, this makes you immune to sleep, fear, and charm while also decreasing the chance to be hit 25% and it ALSO classes you as undead, making you nigh untrackable, and makes you immune to many other forms of CC. *EDIT* While this may make you immune to other forms of CC, it also makes you significantly more vulnerable to priests and paladins as they have anti-Undead moves in their arsenal.

Almost class's CC system can be trumped by this killer CC breaking combination.

Комментарий от Qariz

Warning long post ahead with lots of spelling mistakes.. :d
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Nerf humans, not only do they got a 2 min cd that removes all movement imparing effects stuns charm everything. They get more rep, higher stealth detection more spirit and they also have the mace and sword thingy. By all means, if a class can be human, its the best combination .. :s Which kinda stinks, before they got perception that was good against rogues and feral droods. But now they are good against every thing, why care being able to see them if you can just take away the stun? And anyways they still got better stealth detection. Why they did buff human and none else i dont know, they gave trolls something but i dont think it can stand up against this overpowered %^&*. Isnt it enough that they maked the game so much easier by doing every class op? no no, that wasent enough. Overpowered race... :s but they did just buff one and not the others, and people being good in a class (skilled) in pvp has been nerfed also. The thing they did with wotlk was to make the game to easy, classes overpowered, So that noobs can be as good as skilled people. Cuz people dont need skill anymore they need gear or ^&*!ing op talents.. Blizzard stop &*!@ing this game up, i know you get more money of noobs playing cuz they actually can do something late game. But thats messing up for all the others.. >: (

Комментарий от Rexz

I haven't seen anyone point out the fact that as blizzard's database progress, so will this skill, in a sense. Say, if we're all lvl 100 roaming around by the year 2012, this skill will be 2x better than what it is by now with the more OP trinkets and such are released... or it could just be nerfed by then. :P

Комментарий от twinklovers

no1 mentioned this but humans wouldnt have to waste 49,600 honor on getting the medallion......while everyone would be saving to buy the medallion humans could just get another piece of hateful gear =/

Комментарий от DireCAT

Like PvP trinket but NO RECILENCE

Комментарий от Turona

Freeing a trinket slot is very good indeed, but I'd consider this one of the weaker racials. My motives for this are the following:

In pve you do not use an insignia, and you shouldn't. Thus in example an orc (AP/SP trinket effect), a Troll (haste), etc has a 3rd trinket effect of pve statistics, breaking impearing effects can not compare to this. Not to mention many better passive abilities than 10% reputation increase, preception and 10% spirit.

In pvp you do free a trinket slot, yes. That may sound great and fantastic, but you lose out on an opurtunity some other racials provide. In example an undead rogue can break fear twice, while a human rogue can only break it once. A dwarf priest can break wyvern's sting twice, a human once. A night elf warrior can shadow meld incomming spells and follow by a charge without losing his insignia to a frost nova, while a human warrior would be forced to use it at a nova to avoid taking a shatter combo.

Hypothetical situations, but still, I consider this ability weak. Not as weak as the taurens though, the cows need some love - worst racials in the game (I know draenei recieve a lot of complaints but atleast 1% hit > 10% stamina)

Комментарий от Cajj

I am seriously considering rolling a Human (All other Characters are on Horde) just for this racial. Being able to get out of anything and having 2 trinkets of your choice is ridiculously OP as a racial, and i want it =P (Not to mention Humans also have Diplomacy and multiple weapon specializations)

Комментарий от ikko

found it to be the best racial, been in very good usage, even tought im just leveling up my currently 24 level Human Paladin. (Duskwood spiders stun for 7 seconds so this is pretty nasty)

EDIT: Cajj, not to mention humans also has increased spirit and Stealth detection.

Комментарий от Shinjikael

This talent is not overpowered in my opinion, and here's why. People are claiming a powerful trinket can be used in place of a Medallion, and this is true. However, all the other racials have practical applications equal to or even greater than this ability. Ask any heavy PvP'er. Every second counts. War Stomping to prevent that heal may ensure victory. Arcane Torrent will stop that Frostbolt from finishing off you or your team members. Will of the Forsaken along with a trinket can allow you, the rogue, to stay in tight against that kiter for more damage. Nearly every racial has the potential to be a game-breaker, it's all about execution. Granted, humans are more versatile, but you knew that when you first picked your race and read the descripition, didn't you? Options are wide for humans, but chosing the perfect time to Berserk is just as crucial.

Комментарий от Sildawg

For the purpose of this argument I'm going to pretend like this is the original Warcraft - Orcs & Humans. Now let's suppose I make an Orc warrior and a Human warrior. Our primary focus will be Arena PVP.

Level both to 80 and have access to all of the best gear and enchants. Both toons will be going all out for offensive burst damage with resilience a secondary concern. Now both toons will take Darkmoon Card: Greatness for one trinket slot.

For the other trinket slot the Orc warrior takes Titan-forged Rune of Cruelty (95 crit and removes an impairment/control effect). For the other trinket slot the Human warrior takes Wrathstone (108 crit and Use: 856 AP for 20 secs, 2 min CD).

Of course the Orc would probably take the Titan-forged Rune of Determination (190 AP and remove effect) but let's just use Titan-forged Rune of Cruelty for this example.

Now the Orc warrior can also use Blood Fury which gives 322 AP for 15 secs with a 2 min CD. So supposing this set of circumstances let's add up the difference:

Human warrior: +13 crit rating (static), +534 AP advantage for first 15 seconds of fight, +856 AP advantage for next 5 seconds of fight. The use of the Wrathstone gives 142.6 static AP boost.

Orc warrior: The use of Blood Fury gives 40.25 static AP boost. This gives the Orc warrior a -102.34 static AP deficit relative to the Human warrior.

Now supposing they both use the 2h Furious Gladiator's weapons, the Orc warrior choosing an axe (5 expertise racial bonus) will get a 2 expertise advantage over the warrior who would choose either a sword or mace (3 expertise racial bonus).

Both warriors have a useless bonus in this situation as Diplomacy and Command make no difference in this situation. Command would make a slight difference if we were comparing Orc and Human unholy DKs and warlocks however. 3% spirit increase is basically useless to a warrior.

That leaves the Human Perception racial vs the Orc Hardiness racial. Slight stealth detection increase vs 15% stun duration decrease. Overall it is about a push although you could argue that one has a slight advantage over the other, but nothing substantial really either way.

I'd say the ability of a Human melee class to equip a trinket such as a Wrathstone instead of say a Titan-forged Rune is a huge advantage. This is just one example. Human caster classes could also use a Battlemaster's trinket instead of a remove effect trinket, greating increasing their survivability while using an offensive trinket in the other slot.

Overall the burst potential and versatility that Every Man for Himself provides in an arena setting would greatly offset abilities such as Will of the Forsaken, Escape Artist, Shadowmeld, Warstomp, Berserking, Gift of the Naaru, Stoneform, Arcane Torrent. Personally I'll take 20 secs of additonal big burst potential or 15 seconds of 3385 additonal health over racials that remove a specific effect or give a 2 sec stun/silece or a mediocre HOT.

Комментарий от Daraconftw

FYI, If you have an Insignia of the alliance with 5min cd, your Every man for himself will go off to a 5min cd also, Don't know why but it does.

Комментарий от Qariz

Humans are op with all their racials.. not only do they got many they got good ones too.. :S

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Hmmmm... been away for a while. Seems I've caused a fuss.

Okay, out the window with logic. Because the answer that the majority of *you* have to logic is constructing a straw man fallacy and beginning a self-righteous, snot-nosed tirade. EMFH, as now well demonstrated by experience is not OP. I'll not apologise for attempting to convince you that your latest, terrified peril was no more than a monster you'd constructed for yourselves. Living your life in such a fearful, complaintive fashion is your own choice. My only mistake, for which I will apologise only to myself, is having this conversation at all.

Without listening to my actual points, the majority of you fastened on my description of War Stomp as 'godly' as a point to attack, disregarding the actual reasoning. The fact that the majority of you did this makes me wonder if you share a brain, somewhere, or if it's just one semi-bright spark and a whole bunch of the sincerest form of flattery. I'm not having the War Stomp values discussion. I'm not even hoping that this post will be rated well. It won't be. The sad thing is, a hell of a lot of people agree with you. Please, don't take that as a compliment. It's not. To be approved of by the mob has never been the hallmark of deep thought. Or thought, at all.

So, that's it from me. I'll not be attempting to appease your concerns in future. I don't actually care, beyond the obvious checking once every six months or so to see how the discussion turned out. Go wail and moan with each subsequent patch/expansion about how OP this is, or how unbalanced that is, each to your own pet peeves marked by the characters you happen to have chosen for yourselves. For my two cents, I think blizzard has done a fantastic job. And will continue to do so. Largely because they don't listen to idiots.

Ciao.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Oh, and just for the sake of proof, however short-lived it might be. Might want to check out the top ranked arena players. My reference makes the top player undead today. The top 10 include *1* human, and a fair representation of other races. Fairly well proving my statement six months ago. Intellect being the ability to predict future events from past experience, I'd say I'm ranked well above my detractors at this point.

Well, gloating over. Bye.

Комментарий от Qariz

:o longer post then i expected xD

Greyslayer you got a point, EMFH is not OP. Alone that is considering all the other racial's humans got make it and but more the human race op. I know i'm prolly going to get downrated and purged like always when i post a ''negative'' comment but, serious humans got EMFH which i'd say is one of the most powerful racials of all. And they got more spirit, not game braking but still nice for priest's. They got 5 Expertise to mace and sword's which help a bit if you're a rogue or paladin. And they got +Reputation which is a really good end game racial. And besides they also still got perception (although nerfed it increases your ''stealth detection'' level as if you were one level higher).

I think humans were okay pre wotlk, they had many racials, okay racials, and none other races had conciderabily better racials. At the time humans were better against feral druids and rogues, which is the point of many racials better against some not as good against others. Now they are good against almost any other class which is just un-balanced in my opinion.

This changed undead also, as their WotF was almost like the gnomes escape artist WotF removes fear sleep and charm. Gnomes escape things like entangeling root's frost nova etc. so both of them were unique they had not that many other racials but had decent ones. Humans got both combined plus more, and all of their other racial's which i think is very op. If anyone have a statement as of why humans should have as many racials please say i don't want to think that every class that can be human is the best race/class combination : /

Комментарий от Lindaron

Even if you are a human you will still need a pvp trinket since they have stats like resil and added spellpower like these trinkets.. PRIME example http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46081

Комментарий от Lindaron

Missing up alot of spellpower or any other stat you may need

Комментарий от alexgame

It's cheating! If humans have this spell, the orcs have 5sec stunn

Комментарий от alexgame

It's cheating! Horde=The enemies of the allience and the humans the heroes, and the kings and the cool race.(And the paladin? Yuk!) Not paladin, but BUGadin

Комментарий от alexgame

It's cheating! Horde=The enemies of the allience and the humans the heroes, and the kings and the cool race.(And the paladin? Yuk!) Not paladin, but BUGadin

Комментарий от tanyasalpe

overpowered. thats all.

and im not talking like this op: "Dear Developers, Rock is overpowered, paper is fine" - Scissors.

Комментарий от aMpeDDUp

This racial will not remove the very common http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=1604#see-also-other placed by monsters from behind from you. I think this would be the time when players would use this racial the most, however it is useless to remove it.

Комментарий от henron

I'm just going to come on record and say that I look forward to when Cataclysm is released and all of the racials are reworked, this racial is insanely OP and allows Humans to have an unparalleled advantage in the Arena.

Комментарий от Splitisoda

Think of it this way guys, UD had the best racial in TBC, and I'm GUESSING in Vanilla to. Now Alliance have the dominant racials.

Комментарий от Clearly

Clearly, you guys are missing the point of the word clearly.

This is all quite muddled, even if people on both sides of the dicussion (favoring the other guy, sorry Greyslayer) appear to have a more clear-cut view of things. This racial is very handy, even if not entirely useful for things like soloing. The racial is an extra trinket, effectively. But it sucks at low levels. Not many good trinkets are available at that level, and the BoA trinket which any serious twink should have from Wintergrasp is much nicer than that extra slot before you get access to the useful JCing trinkets, etc.

But it boils down to this. Clearly, you shouldn't be making arguments based solely off my username.

Комментарий от grezgorz

That leaves the Human Perception racial vs the Orc Hardiness racial. Slight stealth detection increase vs 15% stun duration decrease. Overall it is about a push although you could argue that one has a slight advantage over the other, but nothing substantial really either way.

Who wouldn't take 15% stun duration decrease over slight stealth detection? I would argue that Hardiness has way more than a 'slight' advantage over stealth detection. You are clearly biased in your argument.

In your example the human warrior gains a static 102.34 AP advantage over the orc warrior from not having to equip a PvP trinket. If you're in a level 80 arena I should hope you have a lot of AP. Let's say both warriors have 4k AP on their gear. That's a 2.5% AP advantage for the human. Now think about the percentage of time you spend stun-locked in arena and multiply that by 15% to get some idea of how the orc racial compares.

Комментарий от jaybird007

I just have to ask: For those toting that this is not an overpowered racial, have you had much experience in Arena fighting? Or heck, even BG's? On paper, and in text, I guess I could see how one could argue that it isn't 'overpowered'... In the game however, in an arena, where small amounts of AP, and Crit make all the difference (along with smart play), even the 'Small % of extra stats' as someone put it (Getting an extra 180 AP plus a chance on hit proc is hardly small I might add) is what will make or break a team. I dunno. Coming from an experienced arena and pvp player, who has both horde and alliance 80's, this is definitely the best racial 'use' ability in the game. There are plenty of other viable options, of course, but I'd rather have this in an arena every time.

Комментарий от wcoyne

Everyone has an opinion about this ability, but how many of you actually have a high rating in the arena system? I say post your wowarmory link with your comment or your opinion doesn't count. People who aren't very good are going to get killed all the time, upset, and grasp at straws trying to come up with reasons why they lost.

Blizz does not make changes without thorough testing. Provide real evidence to the contrary, not worthless opinions. This ability has been around for a while now and have humans taken over arena pvp? NO.

Комментарий от Greyslayer

Well, we're back here again, right where we started, since blizz has (apparently) no desire to change EMFH in cataclysm.

The above poster makes a good point. I say this because it's the same point I made about six months ago, and which now lies forgotten beneath the weight of democratic opinion. Humans haven't taken over the arena. The top three ranked toons in the world are, in fact, undead. Nothing more really needs to be said.

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*edit: I said the top 3, but I just checked, and it's actually the top 4.

*second edit: for anyone who's interested, the top 10 as of writing are: undead priest, undead mage, undead mage, undead priest, blood elf paladin, undead mage, blood elf paladin, undead priest, orc hunter. Not only do humans not make an appearance, neither do alliance. The first is a dwarf hunter at rank #14. The first human is a warrior... at rank #35. If anyone doesn't know how to access reliable arena rankings, let me know and I'll post the links.

The popular opinion on this subject just isn't correct.

Комментарий от Oniguru

The Ability doesn't make humans the Top PVP race in the game (otherwise humans would be on the top in Arenas)

This just gives people an edge that can help gain an Advantage, It's not that big, it just makes it easier to Either:

A) Become more effective in a combat situation (which is useful in many areas)

B) Run away faster (as the ability suggests)

Комментарий от Ifridge

Human's racials, simply put, outshine every other race's by a mile and then some.

10% increase to rep and no need to have a PvP trinket?

Hopefully other races's racials will be brought up to speed with these

Комментарий от Raithon

Someone explain to me the mentality of Blizzard when they nerf WotF, but not this? So Forsaken can break through a charm, fear, or sleep, but are still bound to PvP trinkets, whereas a human can break ANY stun every two minutes?

The immense power of just adding ONE trinket is enough, let alone giving it the same CD as a regular trinket. This single-handedly breaks the balance of the lower level BGs in which PvP trinkets have a 5 minute cooldown. FFS, even the heirloom PvP trinket has a 5 minute cooldown.

Blizzard, use your mind or not at all. This is obviously catering to the most played race in the game. Total bullsh*t.

Комментарий от Ekjim

From what I have heard from everyone, EMFHS is either OP or balanced. Here are my thoughts, and my main is a human warrior Just letting you know now, I played my main sense BC and I have done bg's with him. EMFHS is just a precaution, sure it frees a trinket slot for something else, doesn't mean that its OP, if it was OP then ( as stated by greyslayer) then humans would be the pvp kings/queens, but the thing is RACIAL'S AREN'T EVERYTHING, its how you play your class, EMFHS maybe a free trinket, but against a Mage/Rouge/Hunter/Death knight/Warrior/Shammy, there is a thing called recast. Not sure how accurate this is and using it as an example(no offense intended) but 99 times out of 100 if you break a poly to get close to the mage, the mage will just recast it. its just like a get out of jail free card with a 2-min CD but you can land in jail again before 2 minutes are up. What I'm saying is that most horde pvpers can get around it or wait for it by using a lower cc effect to make you use it so they can bust out the major cc's, now if EMHFS not only broke all cc effects and made you immune to them for maybe 10 second then it would be OP, but its not, its just a free trinket were if you can out skill a human pvper then there is no problem. Another note, think of what carnage will be had in cataclysm with the worgen and goblins, also the new class combination, once they make the scene the ball game in pvp will change. Almost forgot some racials are good in pvp while others aren't like 3% plus spirit + warrior = no good, 3 expertise in swords or mace + warrior = if I'm using them then I'm good, if not then no. racials are just there and you gotta make do with what you got, racials are just there as a precaution, not a sure fire pvp win, even with good timing with them, you can still die because they worked around it.

These are my thoughts about this matter. Sorry for the long message.

Комментарий от Usadk

In your mind this may be "overpowered" but personally, as a human toon myself, I think it's not that big of an "overpowered" spell, for all you rogues out there, would you rather us have "Perception" and see you in stealth? or would u rather be able to get the "jump" on us and let us have another trinket slot.

Комментарий от Redemption

Every race should get this as a racial tbh. Atm its just way overpowered that humans can pvp without the need of pvp trinkets

Комментарий от Qariz

The CD should be upped to 5min the same as the trinket. 2 min for a CC breaker is 2 low when everyone else has a 5 min cd.

Комментарий от Eid0lon

Hide it well.

Комментарий от illas

Firstly, I'd like to mention that I found myself almost agreeing with your previous comments; I was able to see that your thoughts were coming from a sensible, quite rational place, and public opinion would appear to have silenced a valid debate. A belated welcome to WoWhead.

However, as far as I am concerned, two issues remain:

Firstly - regardless of context, proportional representation is no adequate qualification of value, merely of relative popularity. Just because the sea is vast and appears empty does not mean that there are no fish in it. This is essentially sample bias.
Yes, Elite PvPers will typically seek any advantage that they can get, and therefore you appear to be correct in your assumption that since they haven't faction-changed, Every Man for Himself is not overpowered. However, this is not a zero-sum game, and there are other racials to balance this against in choosing a race... And it is also possible (if not probable) that there are other factors effecting that decision - for example, not wanting to change faction would appear a decent starting point since as you mentioned, most of the world's top PvPers are Horde (...apologies for the terribly over-extended sentence). Player skill might be compensating for lack of racial power... or people just enjoy being a rotting skeleton for some reason.

Secondly - regarding other's comments on breaking a CC (say polymorph) that will be immediately recast: This is true of the normal PvP trinket too, and thus is rendered moot.
To hopefully elucidate: By breaking a poly and being re-polyed you have activated diminishing returns and will be polyed for a shorter duration the second time than you would have been the first (assuming it is not interrupted by damage). This leaves Trinketing early/EMFH a sensible strategy in many (but not *all*) situations.
Thus, in terms of direct utility and implementation: a PVP trinket and EMFH are equal, leaving the fact that a human can equip an additional trinket in place of the PVP trinket a definite buff (though I concede that it is not quite as "gamebreaking" as it may appear, given the lack of resilience provided by the racial, and the relative weakness of their other combat racials).

It remains the case that if I were picking a perfect PVP set of racials, Every Man For Himself would be comfortably top of my shopping list, regardless of class.

Oh, and in this overly politically-correct world in which we live, why don't human females don't get Every Woman for Herself? ... ah, yes, this is WoW: they're all secretly men.

Комментарий от Ooko

Strange how so few people are talking about the usefulness of this in PvE. On Festergut as a ranged DPS, this has me laughing all the way to the top of the DPS chart because I get to weasel my way out of up to 3 vile gases. Reduced downtime on a DPS race is HUGE.

Комментарий от MeisterC

Anyone else find it rather offensive that Blizzard full-on nerfed the undead racial, then gave an improved version to the humans? The alliance already have a snare-clear (gnomes). What I wouldn't give for Blizz to replace the utterly uncreative troll & orc racials with something as useful as a snare clear... or at least something more imaginative than a weak damage booster.

And don't tell me to reroll Alliance, their races are just fugly. :(

Комментарий от AFGEV

Cataclysm Alpha Patch Notes:
Every Man for Himself - Cooldown changed from 2 minutes to 5 minutes.
LOL

Комментарий от Thigrai

Then we will fight in the Shade!

Комментарий от Roek

In my experience, this racial is the best for lower levels. At 60 or so, pretty much everyone gets that cheap insignia with the 5 minute cooldown, which still gives humans a better advantage, since the higher the cooldown is, the more sparingly you're going to try and use it.

But at 80, in my opinion, it evens out. All the pvpers get their gear and insignia and really, one open trinket shouldn't make a huge difference. I've heard people complain about losing fights due to lag, wrong gear on, wrong spec, weird keybindings and so on, but NEVER because "that human has an extra trinket".

Комментарий от Bareno

It might not show, but this ability has been nerfed to a 3 minute cooldown :(

Комментарий от Victorvp

Reading all these comments, makes me want to mention a couple of things.

First of all, at this moment (WoTLK) this racial does function like the "use" ability on all the in game PvP-trinkets. That does not mean that it actually is equal to a PvP trinket, because the latest PvP trinket has 153 resi on it.
Therefore every human has to make up for that resi loss compared to other races.

Secondly, looking at other races in this game (BE silence, Tauren stun, UD WotF, etc), I believe humans should have this racial and it's function should be exactly that of the 'use' function on the PvP trinket. It's a useful racial indeed, but nowhere near overpowered or insane like many of you claim it to be. The reason why healers and other resi stackers don't role human is clearly that of the resi loss because of this racial. Instead this racial could give a slight advantage to melee and any other class that benefits from two trinkets, on the area of stats, chance on hit or Use functions. And even from a horde BE perspective this not a high price to pay thinking about the awesome racials other races have.

I heard some rumours of Blizzard actually increasing the cooldown on this racial or nerfing it. I hope they won't. I'm not a human myself, but I believe it's the only actually slightly useful PvP racial that the Alliance has.

Комментарий от Kaltzor

F*** this @#$%! It's every man for himself! I'm outta here!

Комментарий от zombiesue

Poor Forsaken =( kicked out of humanity just in time to miss out on the development of the best PvP racial. Sure, they have their own, sad version, but it's just not the same, and on top of being outcasts and monsters... =(

Комментарий от ANDELE3025

I wanted to say after reading all this crap about Humans are owerpowered, Forsaken are not great at PvP anymore and wanting to nerf this ability that it is weakend it doesnt remove fear like WOTF or a potential instant Unholy Dk kill like stoneform, it isnt a extra stealth for Druids or Rouges and of course it isnt the Health Fuel of regenration.

A Troll Priest (like my PvP alt) can overrun 3 Human rouges solo. Of course everybody need the PvP trinkets but totaly its a bit more freedom for the alliance guys.

P.S. did anyone hear their version of our song?
Stump them to the ground for this:
Jingle Bells, Orc Smells,
Tauren lay eggs,
Trolls drink and undead think,
that blood elfs are just gay hey!

Last phrase is true.

Комментарий от Guanyin

To be honest, looking at racials, I can think of something more useful to certain classes. As a priest for example, I doubt anything will even out the mini bloodlust Trolls have. Just as well for several other classes. And when put to good use, the short silence from a Blood Elf can do miracles. As well as a nicely used stun from a Tauren. Is this racial strong in PvP? Most definately. Is it way OP? Not at all. Now I only used the Horde pre's, as most complains will come from a Horde player. But as Alliance, many can agree with me that a Dwarf rogue can be much more viable in PvP then a human will ever be. Complete dispells are very, very nice. And ganking someone from a mini stealth as a Nelf warrior, stealth and charge is deadly. If you cannot beat a human, this human is simply better then you are. Not because of a racial, but because of plain, overall skill.

*edit* Oh, and I play Horde, so my opinion is entirely based on simple facts.

Комментарий от Orthis

3 minute cooldown now in cata.

Комментарий от Orthis

Jingle Bells, Orc Smells,
Tauren lay eggs,
Trolls drink and undead think,
that blood elfs are just gay hey!

No no no no. it's like this!

Jingle bells!
Undead smell.
Tauren layed an egg.
Orcs have bewbs and trolls are noobs.
and BLOOD ELVES are just gay.

Lmao.

Комментарий от Xuvial

EMFH now has a 3 min CD and continues to share the full cooldown with a PvP trinket. In the longer, slower PvP fights in Cataclysm, keeping a 2 min PvP trinket will be absolutely essential - NO decent human will ever rely on their racial any more, 3 mins is simply too long.
This essentially means EMFH has 0% effect in PvP.
If the EMFH is not reduced back to 2 mins by the time Season 9 starts, Blizzard will have to deal with a LOT of angry humans....so I highly doubt EMFH will remain the way it is.

I still cannot fathom why why race wasn't given a baseline EMFH and why Blizzard couldn't simply give humans something new (like a silence breaker or something). Being forced to sacrifice a trinket in PvP is stupid.

Комментарий от ChibiRory

Raised to 3min CD as of 4.0.1

Комментарий от Orthis

Cooldown on EMfH was increased to 3 minutes.
WoTF cooldown shares a 30 sec CD with trinkets. (previously 45 seconds)

Комментарий от Aaro

QQ on the 3 minute timer aside (I don't mean honest critiques, I mean the "LOL IMA REROLL CUZ OF FAIL BLIZZARD" types):

The minute increase nerf seems to achieve no purpose at all but to be a nerf for the sake of a nerf. Many PvP'ing humans preferred the trinket to the racial due to the extra resilience the trink provided as it was; I simply wish I knew what Blizzard's intention was here. EMFH wasn't overpowered; it was powerful, but fairly balanced in terms of how it was used. (People would prefer that extra trink resil.)

Комментарий от Fone

Then we will QQ in the shade.

Комментарий от razzem

I think 2.5 mins would be a better compromise. A full minute longer is way too much.

Also, make the heirlooms and low level trinkets a 3 minute timer, for the love of all that is good!

Комментарий от Dungrath

By the old gods, I hate this racial. And not because of its utility in PvP or PvE, like everyone else. But because it doesn't make any sense. What is it supposed to represent? All it implies is that humans are self-centered and haven't a whiff of loyalty. But that doesn't explain or justify what it does. Humans are innately capable of breaking free of physical and magical bonds? Why? They could have at least called it something else, something that would have a cinematic, heroic sound to it.

It exists only because of all the complaining about how overpowered Will of the Forsaken was, and how humans lacked a useful racial spell. It wasn't designed because it made any sense from a lore perspective, but purely as a game mechanic remedy. And then they go and nerf WotF so that it's worse than EMFH, which to me says that they were combating perception of imbalance more than actual imbalance. Catering to the players, and not the pure game.

Комментарий от jakus01

Who gives a damn. so you're like everyone else now.... Do you need someone to call the WAHbulence for you? Can I get you some french cries to go with your WAH burger? Good god man, grow up.

Комментарий от Vidak

The cooldown has been nerfed to 3 min (from 2 min)

Комментарий от dvdjrkns

Due to the recent nerf, this ability is now useless for serious PvP.

Комментарий от WarriorKing

I still cannot fathom why why race wasn't given a baseline EMFH and why Blizzard couldn't simply give humans something new (like a silence breaker or something). Being forced to sacrifice a trinket in PvP is stupid.
Who gives a damn. so you're like everyone else now.... Do you need someone to call the WAHbulence for you? Can I get you some french cries to go with your WAH burger? Good god man, grow up.

Im must say, this was funny. Not because good jakus01 here was witty. But because its 4 in the morning, I was looking around for usefull info about cata and after reading Xuvial's smart comment I had to read the downvoted reply. And first I was like "What?". Then I loled. Hard.

Комментарий от Lyneux

Other PVP trinkets cd should also be raised to 3 mins.

Комментарий от ManaSeeker

So, if I understand things correctly this is how EMFH works: It has the exact same effect as a PvP trinket except it has a longer CD and when you use it, it also activates the entire cooldown on your PvP trinket?

Is this correct? I don't have any human characters and all the comments here are from different patches, so I'm just a litle confused.

Комментарий от xandrin

They will be reverting their change, Every Man for Himself will be a 2 minute CD again. Just after I race change to worgen...

source:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1829962
(final bulleted point)

Комментарий от Typhron

This is welcome news how?

Edit:
I expected this to be downrated. It really is needless QQ.

And hopefully nobody will make a similar mistake.

Комментарий от tcat

With 4.0.1 this got 3min CD. No doubt, it's overnerfed. According to blue post, this will have 2min cooldown again. So if you thinking buy epic trinklet as a human, count this.

Комментарий от Dicelight

I find it extremely unusual that they would NERF it to 3-minutes, and at the same time in 4.0.3 they would BUFF it back to 2-minutes, in the same patch that almost every other racial got a substantial buff. Awkward goof Blizzard.

Комментарий от Darlion

from the 4.0.6 patch notes, i think this is new !

"The ability functions the same as PvP trinkets, removing disarm and silence effects as well."

Комментарий от opth

In 4.0.1, most humans paid a faction change to roll UD, due to the increased CD the racial proving not quite helpful in PvP.
In 4.06, EveryManForHimself got buffed, reducing the CD back to 2 minutes, just like the PvP trinket's CD. Guess who's makin' big bucks from faction changes again?

Комментарий от xenoblad

I don't have any complaints with EMFH aside from the name of the racial.
I don't really understand it from a flavor perspective.
I doubt the racial has to do with the physical aspect of the human since humans aren't physically superior in surivivng againt the dangers of the game.
I have the idea that the racal is about something psycological about humans. Maybe the blizz's idea of a human is that they are very individualistic, in the idea that they as a group of people they are maleable but as individuals they are singular and unyeilding to their beliefs. I.E. I will kill the scourge, I will isolated my nation, I will start a cheese shop, I will gain more power.
This still feels like a very vague and overly broad in my head. Can't this be said of almost any race though?

Racials have always been very clear and they have always made sense from a flavor stand point.
Forsaken have broken free from being mindless slaves, thus their "will" is their racial
Taurens are naturally large and they have large hoves, thus war stomp
Gnomes are tiny people capable of squirming out of tight situations, thus escape artist.
Orcs are agresive and are tainted by the cursed blood of an even more agresive pit lord, thus blood rage.
Troll are naturally funky, thus the voodoo shuffle.
Nelfs hang out in nature, thus they can camoflouge with shadowmeld well.

Humans are X, thus they can remove any form of controll that is against their personal goals?

Комментарий от timbazi

Too bad it shares the cool down with the Insignia of the Alliance :/ I thought since the other racial skills won't share CD with trinkets, this wouldn't either. Why did they remove the Detect stealthers thingy? I recall it being rather neat, though it wouldn't be as essential in PvE as the "Every Man for Himself" would be.

BTW, did they lower the CD on Every Man for Himself? I don't recall it being 2min cd?

Комментарий от GilbertoGrape

I have 3 human toons (and 1 of each other alliance race) so I am certainly acquainted with the race. I usually end up going with humans specifically for EMFH (and also there is usually something to be found with their other racials for most classes). For pve healers and tanks, anti ccs are extremely important. Healers for obvious reasons and tanks because you need to be active to hold aggro/interrupt casts and also because you take a ton more damage while stunned. I find myself using pvp trinkets on my non-human pve healers/tanks because it is so crucial to have. So, yes, I do consider it a freed up trinket space. However, I think all racials bring something to the table that may allow the use of different gear to compensate. All it comes down to is the player knowning what they've got, how to use it and how to gear accordingly. I guess the closest example I could give is a tank trinket that either reduces damage or gives a temporary health boost and a Tauren's stomp (please don't get on my case for using stomp as the example). An aoe stun effectively reduces incoming damage greatly even if just for a short duration. It is not exactly the same, but it can be use to accomplish a similar task. Perhaps EMFH is better than everything else, but I would not call it better by "leaps and bounds." It's usefulness is simply more obvious and universal. People really don't have to think as much when their anti cc is covered. It allows them to focus on other aspects and requirements of their class/build. This being said, I really don't know how well this argument holds up in a pvp sense. However, I would think that it would remain at least partially true.

Комментарий от Aedalas

Coming in 4.1 this racial along with the pvp medallions will have a new animation. An Alliance crest will briefly appear above your head when used.

Комментарий от Nooblinger

4.1 patch notes say "The human racial ability, Every Man for Himself, has a new spell effect." Um, what is the new spell effect? Why wouldn't they tell us in the patch notes?

Комментарий от Dorf

In PTR Patch 4.1 this spell has been given a new graphic effect. On top of the original "swirling" animation it had, a shield of Loarderon with crossed-swords appears above your head upon casting.

Monumental change, I know.

Комментарий от trueye74

arguably the best racial trait in the game =/

Комментарий от Macklow

lol i wonder how Hordes bg wait time has been affected by everyone going to horde now. I have never played horde (past lvl 5), and I will not play anymore. So sad they have taken away another thing that could have given people to stay on Alliance, and if you are listening blizz. I am not a satisfied customer with your Horde biased ways.

Комментарий от Sanpd

Does this also remove Silence and Disarm effects like the PvP trinket? I cannot find any sources that can verify this.

Комментарий от Horsekebab

Wrong.

I play a 2h frost death knight, so I'll use my stat weights (@378 ilvl) and a random trinket, Heart of Solace with an internal cooldown of 100 seconds:

DPS per point/rating:
str: 2.64
hit: 2.01
exp: 1.63
haste: 1.29
mastery: 1.26
crit: 1.15

Stat conversions (rating per percent/mastery point):
hit: 120
crit: 179
haste: 128
exp: 30
mastery: 179

Heart of Solace:
252 (haste rating) x 1.29 = 325 dps
1512 str for 20 seconds every 110 seconds = 1512 / 110 x 20 = 275 passive str
302 (str) x 2.64 = 798 dps
275 + 798 = 1073 dps

Berserking:
20% haste = 2560 haste rating
2560 haste rating for 10 seconds every 180 seconds = 2560 / 180 x 10 = 142 passive haste
142 (haste) x 1.29 = 183 dps

Blood Fury:
1169 AP is a bit less than half the value in strength, due to AP not scaling with talents, buffs etc, but using 1169/2.
1169 / 2 = 585 strength
585 strength for 15 seconds every 120 seconds = 73 passive str
73 (str) x 2.64 = 193 dps

Arcane Torrent:
15 runic power every 120 seconds = 0.125 runic power per second
1 frost strike = 26367 damage per execute (in tier 12 heroic gear)
0.125 runic power per second = 1 frost strike per 256 seconds
26367 / 256 = 103 dps

Rocket Barrage:
~5500 damage every 120 seconds = 46 dps (this depends on your stats, but it'll probably never go above 100 dps
Time is Money:
1% haste = 128 haste rating = 128 x 1.29 = 165 dps
46 + 165 = 211 dps

Viciousness:
1% crit = 179 crit rating = 179 x 1.15 = 206 dps

Heroic Presence:
1% hit = 120 hit rating = 120 x 2.01 = 241 dps (if u manage to stay under cap after reforge)

Add 3 expertise = 90 expertise rating x 1.63 = 147 if you have weapon specialization. Also, it's hard to calculate other racials which don't directly increase dps. Anyways, I made my point. All the racials are below 1/4 of that (understatement: below tier) trinket.

Just for comparison, Heart of Rage with an internal cooldown of 100 seconds:
363 (exp rating) x 1.63 = 592 dps
2178 str for 20 seconds every 110 seconds = 2178 /110 x 20 = 396 passive str
396 (str) x 2.64 = 1045 dps
1045 + 592 = 1637 dps

Edit: I bet the same goes for healers and their mana regen, though I didn't check that!

Комментарий от DiabloStorm

Yeah, this isn't overpowered or poses some type of unfair advantage at all....

In other news, all of the top Gladiators in the world are now server/faction changing to be in Dara Mactíre (Swifty's guild, which also has Athene in it now) and guess which race everybody chose? HUMAN. Wow, that HAS to be a coincidence amiriteguys?

Oh...one did choose worgen. One. I guess that means this isn't overpowered after all.

/sarcasm

The cooldown needs to be raised to 5 minutes to balance this, then at least they'll have to choose.
"Hmm 2 Min pvp trinket + any other trinket or Any 2 trinkets and 5 min pvp trinket racial?"

Edit: In addition, this OP racial is the entire reason Swifty paid real money to race change.
It's OP plain and simple, he even says so himself in the first video he put up as human, and anybody that knows anything knows how many things he's used that have been nerfed.

Not sure why I'm downrated considering I'm absolutely right. Also the Part about the top gladiators in the world switching from Horde to Alliance and joining Dara Mactíre wasn't sarcasm. This actually happened. I don't see how I'd be wrong when the top PVPers in the world are blatantly expressing their favor for human racials.

Swifty regarding this racial and why he race changed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Co4DvTOFU 13:20

Комментарий от omgcritz

It seems that sometimes this ability has the chance to bug out, and you actually cannot break CC (from my experience, only happens with stuns). It can be quite infuriating when hit by a HoJ and you mash this thinking:
"YUSH! YOU CANNAE STUN MEH PALLEH!"
Can't do that while stunned.
<ExorcismExorcismExorcismExorcism>.

Комментарий от Matovent

Every Man for Himself: because PvP trinkets are for losers.

Комментарий от surgio

1) EMFH isn't now, nor ever was a full trinket, its always been only 1/2 of one, a fact most people ignore when they complain about it scaling

While it may not be a "full trinket" it allows you more options.

A human flag carrier can run with 2 BM trinkets: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2089113503?page=1

Комментарий от Valer

Does this take the PvP trinket off cooldown for 2 whole minutes?

Комментарий от Roayal

Каждый за себя has many uses in PvP and also PvE:

PvP: Of course,it´s like a trinket and we all know when to use it(no longer 8s polymorph). Also, if you are not human, your PvP trinket will waste a slot which you could use for damage trinket like Воля Смертоносного from icc.

PvE: Sometimes, when you raid, you are target of Кокон(Мексна,Наксрамас) or Frost Tomb(Принц Келесет,Крепость Утгард). You will mash this racial to be free ;)

why dislikes? if you dont like it please post your reason. Thanks

Комментарий от Solarscar

and humans basically get to have 2 FREE SLOTS while all other races MUST have 1 pvp trinket? this is so racist... and what about night elfs? nothing useful for them?

Комментарий от osbormic0

The shared cooldown is only 45sec.

Комментарий от guatafu

Good? Yes. Overrated? Very.

What's the point of having 1200 agility for 10 seconds if that priest is going to heal to full in 2 cds and there's nothing you can do about it? A blood elf could. Or you can't peel for your partner because you're rooted/feared? A gnome/undead could. Or you can't be healed because you're under enemy smoke bomb? A worgen or goblin could.
"I haz sprint, kick and cloak" So do they, and they have a second ability to perform that.

Go watch high-rated arena matches and you will see plenty of gamers playing other races and still win. The only scenario where this might outperform other racials is 1v1 but pvp isn't about soloing.

Комментарий от Voranil

lol at all the 'inferior' races complaining just because they got crappy racials. that said, most of the alliance races are a burden to alliance anyway(with the exception of dwarves, who actually pull their weight).

Комментарий от Superchief

We've known for some time that Ghostcrawler plays a frost mage.

Obviously he plays a human frost mage.

Комментарий от Xaruman

I wish more politicians could be as smart as this person. Quality arguments supporting a valid point. I just wish I could rate this person up more than once.

Understand that politicians' sole purpose is to take away rights from the people and consolidate power into fewer and fewer hands. They are not stupid, they are doing exactly what they were put into office to do. All roads lead to tyranny when left unchecked by the people.

Back to the topic at hand: If Blizzard really wanted to balance racials in PVP in WoW, simply give every race, on both Horde and Alliance, the exact same racials. Anything other than that and some racials will always be more overpowered than others.

Sure would be nice if my orc warlock could have an extra "break CC" ability AND 2 DPS or HP trinkets...

Комментарий от option37

The best racial in game. And humans have more chance to win in a arena with this. So overpowered...

Комментарий от ShiroRX

The truth is, this racial is the only thing keeping hardcore pvpers on the alliance at all. That's why I believe it wont get changed.

Комментарий от sylancer

having Каждый за себя, means Человек will NOT wearing Medallion, alternatives give:

Battlemaster: 42,617 maximum Health for 15 sec every 2 Min.
Badge: trade 1,152 Mastery, Critical Strike or Spirit for 1,152 PvP Power, and 4,236 Spell Power, Agility or Strength for 20 sec every 2 Min (=706 Spell Power, Agility or Strength).
Insignia: trade 1,152 Mastery, Critical Strike or Spirit for 1,152 PvP Power, and 2,989 Spell Power, Agility or Strength for 20 sec trigger about every 1 Min (=996.3 Spell Power, Agility or Strength).

while Orc and Troll Racial give:

Blood Fury: 2,257 Spell Power or 4,514 Attack Power for 15 sec every 2 Min (=282.1 Spell Power or 564.3 Attack Power).
Berserking: 20% Haste (8,500 Haste @ L90) for 10 sec every 3 Min (=472.2 Haste).

in PvE, Каждый за себя will NOT give additional short time burst ability like Blood Fury or Berserking,
in PvP, as an unti-control ability itself, also will NOT give additional unti-control ability like Stoneform, Escape Artist or Will of the Forsaken.

Комментарий от Lordplatypus

Most cryed about ability since deathgrip.

Комментарий от Lordplatypus

This racial increases the ammount of QQ elemental damage you take by 500%

Комментарий от qnasheR

The reason why every PvP'er plays the most boring race evah.

Комментарий от Skullhawk13

I'm not sure when it happened, but as of the removal of the swirly ball on this trinket, it has suffered a severe nerf in terms of shiny, and thus is not even worth it anymore...unless you like a free trinket but eh who goes for that

Комментарий от techbear

<QQ>the reason I haven't played WoW in over two years<endQQ>

(also the new talents suck!)

Комментарий от xXzCodProxXz

God I hate this thing with all my life. Notice how it says every man for himself?

Ib4 legions of human shemales played by 16-18yo pimplefaced males will smite me down with their skimpy disgusting revealing tmogs( which from now on I think EVERY female human player is a cigarette butt who likes the same sex and there isn't another analogy, that's how bad I hate that race in this game)

FFs the mofos have THREE trinkets to go through which is borderline retarded idk why blizz nerfed all other racials like nelf/ud and dranei but THIS IS INGAME?

Комментарий от xXzCodProxXz

Plus in WoW(maybe as a pun to real life like some ppl are) this trinket makes Humans look like selfish @ssholes, sorry I am not one in real life, I don't go "every man for myself". Just do away with this BS racial

Plus Alli can use a lot less humans, wtb more variation like more dwarves and night elves

Комментарий от xXzCodProxXz

blizz wants to have variation in their game. Well make it so! If something happens, I don't sit on my behind, I act and act near immediately. there have been talks about this since wrath but so far nothing happened ,Can we see some action here -__- ? Some type of nerf, 5 minutes, or make it trip some cooldown, because the power they gain is enormous and this forces someone to play human

top ladder pvpers are all human. All. human. Does this ring a bell?
I feel like I am preaching to a wall right now, 2 of my top posts have been downrated for no reason.

from Blizzard's statepoint of course they cant nerf it. 70% of alliance are consistent of "humans" because it allows people who are in the closet to play out their individual homo tendencies, without the real life self hatred and disappointment, all in the comfort of anonymity in their mothers basement

We cant have that because their avatars will be ruined.that will cause lots of fanboys to quit and blizz takes a big financial hit because everything is ran on the dollar

Its kind-of strange what even the best pvp players pay to faction change to human because humans look really uber in wow. but overall, it's quite clear by looking at ladders that no race performs even close to human. I don't really care about what arguments people might make, just take a look at the ladder.

and now they are going to be even more op with being able to choose a primary stat attribute and updated aesthetics. I tell you what I am done arguing. screw it , while you are at it make it what human racial makes it auto-gib every1 on the screen. If you are going to make it op might as well take it to the next level

Комментарий от Gwannatar

too many alliance human $%^&heads downvoting the truth here :) well, have fun downvoting. Everyone already knows that having a free pvp trinket is too big of an advantage anyway.

Комментарий от Dropdehd

The absolute #1 reason for faction imbalance in high rated pvp. The one reason myself and many others included don't even bother with high rated pvp in wow. Truly sad they have to pointlessly further imbalance the game like this especially in an already overly unbalanced game. PJSalt for real

Комментарий от frederickdeer

It's all about money. Blizzard offers this trait to Alliance players only and eventually the Horde PVP players will get sick of Alliance players having such an unfair advantage and will PAY to switch just so they can take advantage of this trait as well. If blizzard were to release the numbers i bet you would probably see that 99% of the switching that is going on is by PVP subscribers switching from Horde to Alliance. So after all of the subscribers who are going to switch have done so, I can almost grantee that they will nerf or remove this trait in order to get subscribers to PAY to switch back.

Blizzard makes some great games but they are not in business to entertain people.They are in business to MAKE MONEY. Be honest how many subscribers would still play alliance if they were to either loose the trait or it was given to both sides?

Комментарий от Krimsun

The racism and sexism are real.

Комментарий от wisedada

Every Man for Himself has been reworked. It now gives Human players a 1200 point bonus to their Arena Rating.

Source : Latest Patch notes

(Blizzard april fool's 2016 in case you are wondering...)

Комментарий от Conal

I've thought for a long time this tool-tip needs to be re-worded, because as is, it's BS. "All effects which cause loss of control"? Again, BS.

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