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Обьясните поподробней кто нибудь плз механику "Когда вы находитесь под действием заклинания "Гнев карателя", 50% наносимого вами урона игнорируют все снижающие урон эффекты." ,а то что-то как-то не по паладински сложно))

Комментарий от WoWTheBest

всё очень просто-60% проходит через броню и например через шилдволл вара

The wording on this ability is interesting. The huge crit bonus on Hammer of Wrath is certainly nice, but its placement very deep in the Ret tree basically precludes its use by other specs; that being said i'm still seeing a .5s cast time on Hammer of Wrath itself, unless Blizz has modified the skill to no longer cause swing-time pushback the ability will still be hard to justify using in melee range even given it's slightly lowered mana cost and larger rage of usability (<35% now).

We can hope that either the cast time is reduced to instant (somewhat unlikely), or the ability modified to behave more like Steady Shot and not push the swing timer back (much less unlikely). However, even given these things, the mana cost has traditionally been a large issue for ret palains; with all the new scaling mana returns we'll have to see if the mana issue has been solved or at least greatly ameliorated.

Комментарий от Symz

I beleive in Wrath the Hammer of Wrath ability does not reset the swing timer.

Комментарий от zAce

"while affected by Avenging Wrath 50% of all damage caused bypasses damage reduction effects."

I don't understand, does AW do 50% more damage with this talent?

Комментарий от hamlord

Fonix has got a point. The 50% reduction bypass, as I take it, means that half your damage while under Avenging Wrath will be unmitigated in any way, that is, it'll be theory-craft level damage (think hitting a squirrel). The other half will be simply 30% higher than your normal damage.

That's... a pretty big damage increase.

Комментарий от magustenth

I'm pretty sure that this talent is to offset the fact that avenging wrath got a 10% nerf in the damage department.

Комментарий от etherealplain

Against Targets with high armor it will be more of an increase then the old avenging wrath

Комментарий от Raggsokk

Hammer of Wrath doesn't reset the swing timer

Комментарий от alwini

After taking a deep look into the ret-tree, I've been wondering what "50% of damage reduction effects" really mean.
I've been googling around for an hour now, been looking on elitistjerks, mmo-champion, wowinsider, wow forums and random pages.
Nobody seem to have a clear answer, except one who tried the talent with a shield-walling warrior.
It looked something like this:
Normal hit average (100 hits) - 553
Shield walled average (4 hits) - 210
Shield walled and AW with sanc. wrath average (4 hits) - 441

It seems to ignore half the effect of spells like Shield Wall, Pain Suppression and Barkskin.
Maybe absorb-effects is included as well, as I found a post stating: "With AW up, with my mana shield up, he did some of the damage through it, half of it absorbed. My mana shield didn't break either, so he continued to hit me and I ended up oom without recasting Mana Shield". But this post got a blue answer saying they would look into it.

I still haven't found a clear answer to its effect on resilience and armor, but I assume it reduces them as well.

Let's try with some math. The warrior in the example with shield wall had 60% reduction from armor. Shield wall added 60%.
The paladin had an average white damage of 1300 pre-armor.
Average hit on the warrior is 1300*0.4 = 520.
With shield wall up average damage is 520*0.4 = 208.
If the paladin now popped an untalented AW his average hit would be 208*0.2 = 249.6.

Let's assume Sanc. Wrath pierces 50% of the reduction from armor as well as shield wall.
Damage with a talented AW would be 249.6 * 1.75 = 436.8.
The damage increase seen in the calculation seems to work very well with the example I found.
All the averages are close to the numbers.

Of course I don't really know, but I assume from this calculation that Sanc. Wrath makes AW pierce 50% of armor as well as Shield Wall/Pain Suppression, etc.
Please don't flame me if my calculations are wrong ;) First time actually doing this.

To the above posters discussing the 10% nerf vs. Sanc. Wrath gain: If I'm correct, it's a hell of a buff for us.

Комментарий от Frnit

You'll wanna notice it goes through Dispersion, as well.
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=knulladpa9.jpg

Комментарий от Priana

I know that the +crit for HoW and 60 cd reduction is nice for PvE. But how useful is "50% of all damage caused bypasses damage reduction effects." for PvE?

Комментарий от gpro

With this talent, retribution paladins with wings on can 1-shot the elemental mobs with mana shield in Karazhan, right before Curator.
Their HP varies from 1000 to 1hp, pop your wings and it's dead - saves alot of time.

Комментарий от darkcommand

This is overpowered, for 2 points you can 1 shot anyone lower than 20% health.
Yeah, downrate this because you're a paladin and you love to be overpowered.

You have heals, you have TWO bubbles, and you get a ranged execute with 80%+ crit chance to boot.

Комментарий от cstep

This is in my mind similar to chaos bolt, the Warlock 51 pint destro ability, which flat ignores absorbtion effects. Seeing as the talent also makes hammer of wrath nearly always crit, it prompts the following intetnion of the talents design:

Arena finishing blow.

Take this example: Ret pala is beating down on a warlock with his wings out to kill. His priest friend uses pain suppression when the lock is on low health, <20%. This talent allows the Paladin to use the hammer to kill him through pain suppresion.

It is a pvp talent to give the bursting paladin a strong finisher to get fleeing targets. The fact that it pierces through absorbtion and is holy, so un resistable, is perhaps overpowered. I would like to see blizzard not nef this abiltiy, but buff other such execute moves usch as....yeah, execute for warriors

Комментарий от Orochai

Hammer of Wrath DID reset the swing timer when it had a cast timer, though it doesn't anymore.

Комментарий от nkchri2

There is NOTHING better than fighting another pally that attempts to bubble heal and ends up getting HoW crit'd through his divine shield for the loss LOL

Комментарий от thebitterfig

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this talent is nearly worthless outside of PvP for paladins lower than 69 (so a second rank could be bought at level 70, when Avenging Wrath is trained). The 25%/50% crit bonus to Hammer of Wrath is nice in theory, but useless in practice when leveling, as except for a small number of elite mobs, your Hammer of Wrath will almost always finish off a mob without a crit.

For PvP, of course, it is very worthwhile for lower level paladins, for obvious reasons.

Комментарий от Fideous

How does the crit bonus work?

Imagine I have 20% spell crit, does it increase my AoW crit to 25/30% (25/50% of the 20% crit I have) or 45/70% (25/50% + 20% spell crit)?

Комментарий от thebitterfig

Like every talent which increases crit chance, it is additive. Thus, the crit chance of Hammer of Wrath with this talent will be your melee crit plus 25% or 50%. HoW is a ranged melee attack, much like Judgement, and thus uses melee crit and not spell crit.

Комментарий от badassjack

great against "op" death knights. popped wings as soon as his icebound went up and he was sitting there wondering why his icebound bugged out on him.

but back to the mechanics. im definite the "bypasses damage reduction effects" refers to armor, shield wall, divine protection, icebound, pain suppression etc, however i dont know what to make from damage absorbtion effects. for instance, i have yet to try wings when a death knight has anti-magic shield up. i know he becomes immune to magical attacks, but does wings allow you to bypass that? also, priest shields, sacred shield, mana and frost mage shield (the name eludes me), i know that when i hit regularly, my tooltip says my damage was absorbed. does sanctified wrath penetrate these shields, since technically they are 2 different types of mitigation.

according to the quote from alwini's post, the mage had mana shield up the entire time and went oom, i dont know what to make of this i know mana shield doesnt absorb all damage until the buff timer runs out. speaking from experience, i would say that AV talented with Sanc W allows you to do a lot more damage, which in turn breaks shields and absorbtion effects a lot quicker. but i do not think that 50% of the dmg while wings are up simply ignores both absorbtion and damage reductions effects... unless blizzard didnt set it up correctly to begin with.

Комментарий от DrPancake

this is Hax when you're Fighting C'thun :P

essentially increases damage done by 6,000%.

Комментарий от MetalGenocide

The way I understand it with absorption effects is that since only 50% of the attack is absorbed while wings are up, the shield itself would last twice as long than if it absorbed full damage.

For instance;
A shield absorbs 5000 damage
You deal 5000 damage w/o wings. Shield breaks, shielded player takes no damage.

Same shield absorbs 5000 damage
Pop Sanctified Wings
You deal 5000 damage to the player.
The shield absorbs 2500 damage, Player takes 2500 damage. Shield is still up. Player is injured.

Комментарий от Taveena

This causes you to ignore half of the Blood Beast's AoE shield in the Deathbringer Saurfang encounter, and thus steal aggro if you use Divine Storm or Consecration while under the effect of Avenging Wrath.

Комментарий от Ayva

im definite the "bypasses damage reduction effects" refers to armor, shield wall, divine protection, icebound, pain suppression etc, however i dont know what to make from damage absorbtion effects.

Damage reduction effects are damage reduction effects (armor, divine protection, pain suppression, dispersion, etc.). Damage absorption effects are damage absorption effects (power word: shield, mage's mana shield, etc.) Damage reduction effects are not damage absorption effects and visa versa.

The way I understand it with absorption effects is that since only 50% of the attack is absorbed while wings are up, the shield itself would last twice as long than if it absorbed full damage.

Wrong. Sanctified wrath doesn't affect damage absorption effects in any way, shape, or form because damage absorption effects are not damage reduction effects.

For example: popping wings and striking a shadow priest with dispersion active will do a hell of a lot of damage to the priest because sanctified wrath will bypass half of dispersion's 90% damage reduction effect. In contrast, popping wings and striking a shadow priest with power word shield active will not injure the priest at all as long as the shield is up because there is no damage reduction effect active that can be bypassed by sanctified wrath.

Комментарий от pabohoney1

Actually DS is an AE affect. Resistant Skin states that it reduces AoE damage. If you've ever done Saurfang you would know that DS only hits the beasts for ~500. Also Faction Champs have a buff that reduces AoE damage done by 75%. This affects DS as well. On the other hand, Seal of Command is not affected by any of these, which is a true "cleave" ability.

Комментарий от MetalGenocide

Hmm, ok, if that's how it works then fair enough (still seems weird since it has a limited number of target's to hit, which I always thought was the difference between cleave's and AoE's). I admit I don't bother looking at what damage the beast's take when I'm dps'ing Saurfang. I haven't noticed the Faction Champ's getting reduced damage though, but again I don't pay full attention to just 1 skill.

Комментарий от R0neh

WHAT? Hammer of Wrath spam while winged? nerf :P btw i have a pala...

Комментарий от LedgeEnd

This talent is pretty ridiculous lol... at level 76 I'm hitting mobs my level for 100k+ every 6 seconds. Haven't met any horde yet, too bad I'm on a low pop server.

Комментарий от lafingman0

just got one shot by a pally for 16k while leveling.... i think i need to reroll T_T

Комментарий от ssambakd

This talent is (as of Nov 6, 2010, +60% crit chance with HoW, on top of making it available at all times during AW, then cutting the cooldown of AW to 2 mins) by far the most face-roll talent I have found with pre-Cata patch. Granted, I also have a ret paladin myself, and this "skill" gave some uncontrollable burst and burst of laughter, while it undoubtedly caused some massive QQ from the other party (at the receiving end). Almost guaranteed crit with HoW, while it is even buffed by 20% (since AW is up) pretty much cuts down the opponent health to 20% soon enough so that you can... hammer on their face again!

As it stands right now, the most "skilled" ret pally will now use this skill (press AW) pretty much whenever available (and not try to "save it" for when you "really need" it), and this really causes some epic lolz as you one shot people in pvp gear with half health. I personally find that whenever i global people with this thing in BG's, they do not release their corpses immediately as people do on most occasions. Both he and I just sit there (thinkig WTFBBQ) for a few seconds getting a good laughter out of the absurdity of it all. (at least i do when i get owned by ret pallies using this thing)

In all seriousness, 20 second duration of this every 2 minutes (available again 100 secs after it expires) also means you get to use this quite often in a BG situation, as there are usually "downtimes" in BG after each fight.

Don't get me wrong.
I hope it stays! :D

Комментарий от ssambakd

Комментарий от robspierre

huh.. i just.. wanted to say......

WHAT
THE
FUC|< ?

18k always crit anytime you have CD available? srsly? + exorcism on proc for ~ similar dmg.. wake up blizz

Комментарий от doom66

Guys just one query.
The spells says allows the use of Hammer of Wrath at all times during Avenging Wrath.
Does it mean that i can use it while the enemy is not at 20% life.
Do i still have the cd for it?

Sorry if i sound like a noob but hey i am

Комментарий от bobtehbuildr

i <3 getting 2 shot by pallies with this while lvling v.v

Комментарий от JinTetra

As a PvP Retribution Paladin, I can safely say that, given this talent, this comic describes us perfectly (at the time of this posting, anyway). Most of you will have seen it already, but for those who haven't, it's worth a laugh, whether in joy or despair. :)

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20090916

Комментарий от Lifetapt

Nerfed pretty spectacularly in 4.3... according to the PTR notes:

Sanctified Retribution now increases the critical hit chance of Hammer of Wrath by 2/4/6%, down from 20/40/60%.

Комментарий от TehAshbringer

man blizzard really had to go and nerf it because a bunch of little whiners on their periods had to complain :( R.i.p. Awesome Pallys :(

Комментарий от iamleejn

This turns Гнев карателя into a proper tanking CD for protection paladins.
More holy power and increased healing recieved will make this a decent cooldown.

Комментарий от Isamera

Don't know if I've missed any patch-notes but either the tooltip is wrong or the Holy Shock cd reduction wasn't introduced.

Комментарий от Meukow

Does anyone know if Священный гнев with four piece bonus gives more dps overall than choosing Святой каратель or Божественный замысел?

Комментарий от Dantor

As Retribtion Paladin it makes you to a Hammerdin like in Diablo II, Hammertime!

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