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Ребята , вопрос :
Написано требует 40 лвл , ну тут понятно что дк с 55 и всёже какой лвл требует для обучения?

Сложность: 500 505 510

У меня на 60 лвле профа всё ещё 1/1 ... наверно я чегото не понимаю (

Комментарий от Wik2r

Lime профа так и будет 1/1 а лвл нужен для нее вроде 70 или 65+ точно не помню... лично я ща на 63 у меня ее тоже нет((

Комментарий от Nosoul

Это не профа, а навык. С самого начала он 1/1 и всегда таким будет, для того что бы наложить руны нужно выучить их у тренера и находиться около кузни рун

Комментарий от Undpri

Если хотите сказать что-либо по гравированию, то идете в соответствующую тему, а здесь нажо оставлять комменты конкретно по этой руне.

Комментарий от KIRoachLL

имхо лучшая анхоли (пвп) руна .

Комментарий от pushkivan

вопрос к ДК , если во фросте с 2мя 1ручками чарнуть ее на обе ? есь смысл ? вот к примеру Гроза(http://ru.wowhead.com/spell=74223#comments) она же ураган сnакается при чем мнй замечено что с 1 пухи так же может стакнуться 2 раза....

Комментарий от Victor123456789

Хорошая руна как для пвп, так и для пве.

Комментарий от gri22

Для тех кто прописывает в аддоны разные проки\бафы, эффект накладываемый руной Нечестивая сила 53365

Комментарий от X3LiKing

Исцеление может иметь критический эффект.

Комментарий от vitasikxp

Всем привет, на какую пуху фдк с одноручками её чарить? На левую или на правую?

no, we can't say overpowered. Because most of us, you included, have not had a chance to use it yet. most likely it will have quite a long internal cooldown that will make it good and most likely balanced. and if it IS overpowered in it's current inception, it will probably be nerfed.

on a side not, i think this would be nice to use with Blood spec tanking, and the unholy talent increasing your strength. combined, you'd receive a fairly decent heal, bonus to damage, and parry chance. not bad all in. not sure how it stacks against the 2hander 3% parry chance, but as this can be placed on a 1hand, you can have a second rune on the other (i think :/ ) so you could have this as well as the rune to add frost damage and lower attack power of the enemy.

I'm getting excited by all the possibilities and theory crafting the death knight is already providing :D

just noticed, it lists every weapon class in the game as able to be runed, but there's also something on the list that i found interesting, it lists spears as well as polearms, is that a bug, or are they adding in more weapon types?

Комментарий от brollysan

Funny how WoW has become a fulltime job, it is a game, ^&*! theorycrafting, In my 4 years of pvp on my warrior never once did I give a damn about formulas, swingtimers or theorycrafting, I just picked the gear I liked, and not to brag or anything I wasn't too bad.

Комментарий от Polkarama

"Modifying your rune weapon requires a Rune Forge in Ebon Hold." Meaning you have to use Death's Gate (teleport/portal skill) to go to Ebon Hold. (NOTE Don't have beta or anything, just a video lurker getting info that way. Will delete post when a beta can confirm for sure!)

Комментарий от Bluefire

It should be noted that even though some people might think these are overpowered compared to enchants, that they were actually designed to be the "best in class" weapon enchants. That means, that the DK weapon enchants will/should outperform any normal enchant.

To quote Ghostcrawler (a Blizzard Poster) of the Beta WotLK forums:

I think it's fine if the runeforging enchants don't stack with other permanent enchants because the runeforge enchants can be as powerful as they need to be. It's okay if they are the best in their class -- they are offered as a perk of the deathknight. The current ones already scale much better than current enchants.

Комментарий от karlthepagan

I noticed the "Spears" too and came here to check it out.

Adding a new weapon type to the game would be very interesting, but IMO it's probably a category in the game which was never used. (notice Miscellaneous is up there too)

Комментарий от Gimble

From having used this on my Death Knight so far, there's a couple of things to note about this spell in it's current form.

1. No internal cooldown (or an extremely small one), had this proc twice in less than 10 seconds.
~~2. Only gives +30 strength, not 30%. Although it apparently it is supposed to be 30%~~ (or higher).

Edit: Number 2 has since been fixed and is now 30%
Edit 2: Has since been reduced to 15%

Комментарий от Hankie

Can't see the use of a class "ability" if it's useless, and since it don't stack with normal enchants, it has to be slightly better imo...

rly, saying this is op because it's better then normal, which it mb not even is (say lvl 70 and you have 600 str, with a proc you get 180 str, 360 ap, is that rly that much better then 840 Armor ignore from executioneer...) enchant's is just silly... that's like saying Shamans weap enchants is op becuase they outmatch sharpning stone...

Комментарий от langley85

As far as I can remember, spears were available at early stages of the game (pre-release). At that time I only played a druid, so I can say for sure that druids could use them. Obviously, as you can see, they got removed for some reason.

Комментарий от Malgorath

This seems like a scaling Crusader (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20034) enchant, as hinted by its name. Personally I think it's very cool, having a weapon proc as good as Crusader (well, much better at higher levels) and the ability to have another enchant.

Комментарий от arkthegreenguy

It says chance to heal for 3%. Does that mean it will heal you for 3% of the damage that hit deals or 3% of your total health?

Комментарий от Clockworker

I wanted to check this because it also mentions fist weapons, and from earlier reports I saw Death Knights couldn't use those.

Alas, I was being too hopeful again. But then again, imagine if you could put a rune on a fishing pole. "I AM ____, SLAYER OF FISH. BEWARE MY RUNE WEAPON, FISHCATCHER!"

Комментарий от thundagard

Woh, woh, woh, woh woh.
Miscellaneous? We're gonna see BREWFEST MUGS with Fallen Crusader?

WOOT!

Комментарий от Ramsay

Like Bluefire stated above, the reason why these don't stack with enchantments is because Death Knights were intended to "imbue their weapons with powerful runes". DK's can still opt to use enchants, but the runes will be always more powerful. This is the best rune DPS-wise.

Комментарий от Agereautmore

Clockworker, it just says those BECAUSE they are one hands. they put any 1/2H on that.

Комментарий от Ramsay

You need to be level 70 to be able to train this.

Heh, my DK I created in early beta I hadn't touched for a while had it at 55. This was because initially all weapon runes could be trained from the start.

Most likely 60-70 will be using the Crusader enchant. I'd use mongoose if I wasn't so cheap.

Комментарий от elde

Runeforging is a profession-like ability for Death Knights. While it is used like other professions, you don't need to train it; you get new recipies like every few levels as class abilities. There are no skillpoints to train. A Death Knight can only change the runeforged enchant on his weapon at a Rune Forge (obviously). At the moment, you can find Rune Forges at least in Acherus and Shadow Vault in Icecrown.

A runeforged weapon cannot have an enchant other than the temporary enchants, such as sharpening stones. Luckily for Death Knights, the runeforging recipies scale with level and gear. Here's a list of the runeforging recipies and the level a Death Knight receives them.

55 - Rune of Cinderglacier
55 - Rune of Razorice
57 - Rune of Spellbreaking (Only for 1h weapons)
57 - Rune of Spellshattering (Only for 2h weapons)
60 - Rune of Lichbane
63 - Rune of Swordbreaking (Only for 1h weapons)
63 - Rune of Swordshattering (Only for 2h weapons)
70 - Rune of the Fallen Crusader
72 - Rune of the Nerubian Carapace (Only for 1h weapons)
72 - Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle (Only for 2h weapons)

Комментарий от Brachamul

This contributes between DW and 2H balance for the DK. Using two of these to keep the proc up as much as possible will somewhat counter-balance the fact that so many DK attacks are Weapon Damage based.

Комментарий от theakismaniac

well, with most rune forging enchants, they are pretty similar with DW and 2h, but there are certain things you can only get with DW such as...

Rune of Spellbreaking + Rune of Swordbreaking = 50% silence and 50% disarms same time, as 2h you could only have only one or the other, seems to be a nice pvp combo to prevent being shut down

Rune of Cinderglacier x 2, or Rune of the Fallen Crusader x 2 = as long as they dont share some hidden cooldown and can be up seperately (like double mongoose), these will have twice as much uptime DW than 2h

Rune of Razorice + Rune of Cinderglacier = frost vulnerability plus changing damage to frost/shadow damage, plus would be even better if you are speced into frost

Комментарий от Suihi

like this says that this is fallen crusader. so that i recall is that crusader enchant has same kind effect it give some hp and +str but this gives like some how better buff. so runeforging sure is good enchanting form.

Комментарий от Granticus

What would be the perfect Enchant to go with this Rune, if enchants can go with Runes that is, haven't read too much about that.

Комментарий от Mooseunk

Scroll up. There is a post in the same damn post as you posted in talking about it. Ignorance due to laziness...

Комментарий от Granticus

No need to be a #$%^ about it.

Комментарий от GTX07

Should you decide to dual weild, just remember that the 30% to strength increase does NOT stack.

Assuming that you are thinking about Rune forging this enchant on both of your 1hand weapons.

On the bright side, the 3% healing will occur more often.

Комментарий от wizmike

This is a throwback to the old Enchant Weapon- Crusader. If you think about it, at level 60, the 75-125 heal it provided would have been around 3% of total health, and the 100 strength around 30% of total strength. It also has the same visual effect and icon.

Комментарий от zirilan

ok so if i dual wield and have Rune of the Fallen Crusader on both weapons can i have 2 of the buffs up at the same time? or do they share a internal CD?

Комментарий от Ladimore

Tried this on 2 one-handed swords, got 2 procs after eachother, didnt stack.

Комментарий от Xhenohn

The heal from this rune can crit, and crits for 150% healing.

Комментарий от Xhenohn

As soon as you break the 667 STR mark, this is better than Berserking for pure AP, and this doesn't reduce your armor, but rather heals you :D
Also, this procs a lot, I've had it proc back to back giving me more than 15 secs uptime.
BTW, the heal CAN crit and crits for 150% healing.

Комментарий от bowsep2001

I was curious if anyone has tried use a moll-e and enchant a weapon than send it to an alt, kind of like the old Shoulder enchant glitch.

Комментарий от Staryx

I dunno what moll-e is, but I know when you go to apply a rune to a weapon that isn't soulbound, it warns you that it will become soulbound.

Комментарий от Hunterkip

If you're talking about rune-forging a non-soulbound item, that won't work. Putting a rune on something that isn't soulbound (even things like the Rusted Pitchfork) will give you a warning that it will become soulbound if you put your rune on it.

I tried to put a rune on an Executioner's Sword hoping I could sell it for a high price on the twink market, but I couldn't. It's only fair, though.

EDIT: Hmm, the post above mine wasn't there when I went to reply... But yeah, just to reiterate what Staryx said.

Комментарий от sondown

Theres no internal cooldown on this, but it is a flat % chance to proc or is it ppm? Whats the rate?

Комментарий от InfamousCochran

Original Post, by Bowsep2001
"I was curious if anyone has tried use a moll-e and enchant a weapon than send it to an alt, kind of like the old Shoulder enchant glitch."

Because the original post was rated down and will probably be removed at some point, I quoted it so this will all make sense in the distant "future".

Ok, in case you dont know: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=56472 is a new engineering recipe.
And as for the question of putting a rune on a weapon and trying to mail it... They fixed the bug with the regular mailbox, Im gonna go way out on a limb and say a mailbox is a mailbox, portable or not.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=16252 is most likely the best choice for your alt. Plus, it wont make your http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25 soulbound, so you can share it will all your alts!

Комментарий от toastmaster7727

Just from looking at the other runeforging spells, I can already tell this will be the most favored by Death Knights. Some of them like Razorice don't really do alot: only small bonuses every swing like 2-4% extra dmg. This is a procced effect which most people seem to favor compared to constant increase in damage.

Комментарий от aeoris

Well, I disagree with that. I feel like its more just about your playstyle, and whether you prefer a the constant equip effect of razorice or a more powerful proc that will occasionally happen.

I'm still debating between these two personally and it would be awesome if anyone knew the % to proc this had per swing or whether it works on a ppm.

Комментарий от JohnLocke

You can put runes on fishing poles, they fall under the miscellaneous category.

Soooo...

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44050

Комментарий от polase

This is reported to have the same proc rate as Enchant Weapon - Crusader (see links above), at 1 ppm.

I will edit with data later, just trying to answer the question for now.

For tanks thinking of using this, compared to Rune of Swordshattering (4% parry chance):

At 1 ppm, this grants 30% of your Str for 15seconds.
4 strength for 1 parry rating, ~50 parry rating for 1% parry.
Therefore, a little less than 200 parry rating for 4% parry. (192 or so is the true number), or about 800 strength
800 is 30% of 2666 strength.

You need 2666 strength to keep the 4% parry up for 15 seconds each minute (assuming 1ppm, always up)

if you want to have equal average avoidance, you would need about 10667 strength.

Which is alot more.

Edited for accuracy, my numbers were too low. Anyways, DK tanks should use swordshattering.

Комментарий от maarx

It's a shame this stops giving skill-ups at 510 skill =(

Комментарий от hondapower

I just posted a reply on Lionheart Executioner for those looking to get that weapon on their new DK's at 70, and have had this rune on the weapon since I was able to wield it. I've been tracking kills with recount for over half a level now, probably closer to a full level, and should be able to provide some hard numbers on procs once the servers come back up from extended maintenance. I'll edit this post tomorrow with the info.

:

I have stayed in Frost Presence for the duration of all this tracking with 13409hp total (haven't swapped any gear either).

So after tracking 1697 successful melee hits, it seems this Rune proc'd 334 times. Healing an average of 403hp on a noncrit, and when it crit healed (which seems to be roughly 19% of the time) the average heal went up to 608hp. This puts it squarely at a 20% chance to proc per hit, and I've noticed it can happen multiple times even in a short fight.

Does this outdo the static 2% damage increase that Lichbane or Razorice provides? Thats more of a personal preference and up to you to decide, I personally won't be using any other Runes than this though.

Комментарий от Silentsavant

'Spears' was originally going to be a weapon skill, a stated in the original WoW manual, but was never implemented. Blizz must have coppied the weapon skill into the task bar of this ability and forgotten to delete it or something like that. Who knows?

And don't you love duel weilding those miscellaneouses? They look absoultely awesome!

EDIT: They may have been implemented but then removed. I'm not sure, I was a post BC'er

Комментарий от Groundlord

With Death Knight DPS output, is there even a difference? =D

Комментарий от isendims

he means he..
swang, proc, heal, swang, proc, heal, refreshed buff

Комментарий от mightye

At launch this seems to have a 10% chance of proccing. At level 80, after 1000 swings on a level 55 target dummy, there were 98 procs.

So essentially this equates to 0.3% healing per swing, and of course it's not predictable when it procs. If you're using a big slow 2h weapon (to maximize the damage from your weapon damage based abilities), this is not very much healing at all.

The 30% strength bonus is nice, but happens so rarely that it's really at best a way to pad your TopScoreFu or similar tracker.

Only use this rune if you're using two 1-h weapons; and currently there are no DK builds where that's nearly as feasible as a good 2-h weapon; too many abilities are weapon damage based.

Комментарий от JudgeBond

I would like to add that this does not work on any "Bind to Account" weapons. :(

Комментарий от Zukill

Ok here's what you are looking for

Yes this can be placed on any weapons, 1hnd, 2hnd, or polearms. Remember to train in Maces btw, DK's can use them.

This procs about 15% from what i can tell of each melee hit you do. It will own later because it heals for 6% of your total health. *Hint hint* Get more stamina.
I personally have two Fangs of Truth, duel wielding them with both of them enchanted with this. The thing is however the ability of Fallen Crusader ONLY PROCS IF YOU ARE HURT!

I am a blood spec DK's , with 5 points in toughness from Frost. Yes a DPS tank, and I have noticed that while at 100% hp this never procs.

You can tell when it procs because it heals you and gives you the str buff called "Unholy Strength". But it will not heal if you are at 100% hp. I personally can get knocked down to about 98% total hp, and in 1 hit suck up to 100% again so it won't proc if that happens constantly. But this is a very nice enchant to have.

If anyone is going to try a Blood spec tank, i suggest 5 points in toughness for sure from Frost then go full Blood after that. Then you use Frost Presence while fighting, and believe me you won't let the DPS meters down and you will normaly have more armor than a warrior, more health at times too if you are geared enough. Oh and with the blood worms, and healing you got you don't wear out the groups healers.

Hope all this helps.

Комментарий от necronomicus

The thing is however the ability of Fallen Crusader ONLY PROCS IF YOU ARE HURT!

It procs for me on training dummies.

Комментарий от cheesepizza

Would it be a good idea to put fallen crusader on one hand and swordshattering on the other hand?

Комментарий от Ihmemies

I'm pasting the same comment I wrote to the buff section here:

This procced 70 times during 11 bosses in my last 10man Naxx run. That's ~7 times/boss.. which means nearly 2 minutes/boss, while average boss kill duration is maybe 4 minutes. Not too shabby.

Doesn't have internal CD so it can proc many times in a row.

Edit: Oh.. and the proc healed me for more than Blood Aura ;-)

Unholy Strength 155 815 16 %
Blood Aura 107 985 11 %

Комментарий от Raptor2213

Don't forget the one in the upcoming patch.

Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle (two-handed only) now grants 25 Defense and 2% Stamina

Комментарий от Flenop

Spears were originally in the game (Beta). However, shortly before release the weapon class was changed to polearms, presumably so that there wouldn't be 2 slightly redundant weapon classes for the two types.

Комментарий от necronomicus

No, because it's not a good idea to dual wield.

Комментарий от briglair

You Can Not put any runes on fishing poles... An error message pops up saying "That Item Is Not A Valid Target"

Комментарий от briglair

You Can Not put any runes on fishing poles... An error message pops up saying "That Item Is Not A Valid Target"

Комментарий от Bizkitz

I'm wondering (as probably a lot of people), would putting Fallen Crusader on MH and OH be good for PvE? And if not, what would be suggested to put on your two weapons?

Please do not vote down this question, as a lot of people would like an answer, but cannot seem to find one.

Комментарий от Drenvion

Im assuming for tanking?
You will want every bit of parry/dodge you can get while dualwield because you hit more, the mob will have twice as many chances to parry your autoattacks, the mob parrying resets it's weaponswing, which causes you to take more damage.

Not sure what the procrate for Fallen Crusader is, or what procrate it should be for it to be more viable than a flat 2% increased parrychance.

Комментарий от isendims

I would like point out, that I had the buff from this refresh itself. I was using a 2h, so i only had 1 weapon with the enchant. I first noticed it when i was fighting a target dummy. I was watching the buff it was at 8 sec, then saw the proc animation and sure enough it was back up to a 15 sec duration

Комментарий от Nedorian70

What level would we get Rune of the Stoneskin Gargoyle at?

Комментарий от DoctorHat

Yes, but whatever "spears" was - is it now gone, so this is not relevant to keep posting here.

Комментарий от DoctorHat

There is no reason to quote it, it and your message deserves to get purged. You can't mail a soundbould weapon - that is the design. If you exploit a bug you'll get a hammer thrown at you.

Комментарий от DoctorHat

Why would any of that help when its not related to what he said.

Комментарий от idiggory

How often do training dummies attack YOU?

See Valandilv's edit about the comment this is in reference to.

Комментарий от Sinespe

Maybe he's in Soviet Russia?

Edit: This, and the above comment by idiggory, refer to a now-purged comment. The non-extant comment asked necronomicus what relevance his reply had to the original post, clearly not grasping the fact that against training dummies, no damage is incoming on the player.

Комментарий от lichborne

Anyone know if this DK proc can stack with the Darkmoon Greatness deck?
or if it can proc one after another...

Комментарий от mtwcmarsh

Anyways, DK tanks should use swordshattering

. . . IF what they're trying to accomplish is better damage avoidance. If I understand correctly, parrying an attack doesn't increase threat. Dealing extra damage, like say from the higher attack power you get with +30% strength, will increase threat.

DK tanks should use runeforging to strengthen tanking requirements where their gear falls short.

Комментарий от DrPancake

Parrying an attack does indeed increase threat..... What class are you playing? Not only does it grant you 50% haste for your next autoattack, but it procs Rune Strike....

Комментарий от foxtrot8275

may i ask wat lvl u get this at? i looked at the dk spell page that shows wat lvl for all of ur spells but it just says 40 for all the rune enchants

Комментарий от Hunterkip

may i ask wat lvl u get this at? i looked at the dk spell page that shows wat lvl for all of ur spells but it just says 40 for all the rune enchants

You get this particular "runeforge recipe" at level 70.

Комментарий от eranikusnxt

enyone know the proc chance of this rune?

Комментарий от darknesscalls

This is being changed when Patch 3.1 hits:

Rune of the Fallen Crusader -- Affixes your rune weapon with a rune that has a chance to heal you for 3% and increase total Strength by 15% (down from 30%) for 15 sec.

Although the strength bonus was nerfed by half, I've been testing it on the PTR and the proc rate seems to have doubled, so it's now 2 PPM instead of 1.

Комментарий от bla2e

-Razor ice is bigest and most while its on the MH, its not a set damage, its a percent of your weapon damage, where OH hits alot lower

It hits lower on the OH, but it hits more times.

-Razor ice > Cinderglacier because 5% extra damage all the time is greatly superior then 20% extra dmg on 2 spells every now and then

It is 2% extra damage now, and also, depending on how hard your frost attacks hit, 20% extra damage from these abilities could heavily outweigh 2% from your white melee hits.

Комментарий от bla2e

-Razor ice is bigest and most while its on the MH, its not a set damage, its a percent of your weapon damage, where OH hits alot lower

It hits lower on the OH, but it hits more times.

-Razor ice > Cinderglacier because 5% extra damage all the time is greatly superior then 20% extra dmg on 2 spells every now and then

It is 2% extra damage now, and also, depending on how hard your frost attacks hit, 20% extra damage from these abilities could heavily outweigh 2% from your white melee hits.

Комментарий от satelitko

I can say - no internal cooldown. Had this proc from a Death Strike and an autoatack just milliseconds apart after not having it proc for... maybe 2-3 minutes.

Комментарий от theBMhunter

This is what it proc's http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53365

Комментарий от twistedtwilight

Polearms and spears are about the same thing, I think blizzard realized it would just be easier to keep just one of the type.

Комментарий от Ihmemies

Proc rate was doubled and effect reduced by 50% in 3.1.

Since WWS hasn't been quite working, it's hard to say how much this will be up now. Maybe 80% or more during a bossfight?

I'd like to try it out with a dummy, if I just had the time.

Комментарий от Keelerak

How is the change to get heal?

Комментарий от Deivijs

This has sadly been nerfed. Atleast the buff "burst" it used to offer. Now this proc is more consistent, but half the power

Комментарий от Skoro

With the recent nerf to this rune (The strength bonus was cut in half) it now takes ~1334 strength to get AP equal to Berserking from this.

Комментарий от loppiera

this gives about 5% crit chance (if u do not believe me even try for yourself) i am not sure why though

Комментарий от ZetaZero

There should be a 2 hander version of this rune.

Комментарий от Zomglazerpew

It is now possible to Runeforge Bind on Account gear, making this usable once you hit 70. But, due to the 15% strength increase, it's not better then crusader until you have roughly 670 strength.

Комментарий от ohrty

Still wondering What enchant it better for a DPS DK as I am getting in some last second chants for 25 Naxx and some other Raids as well. (My failure to find the "right" guild for me has lead me to gearing myself to the best of the best w/o even touching naxx 10 or 25)

So the Question Stands: Rune of the Fallen Crusader;
or the Expensive as hell (unless your a chanter) Massicare.

That would be very helpful to me as i may be able to be geared enough from BoE epics and Heroic gear to not even step foot in Naxx and go Strait to Uladar 10, as Naxx is "obsoliete" now and some people just dont want to go back....

WoW Heros says i am on the brink of ulada 10 anyways for the yellow bar >.> lmao so much for naxx.

Tyvm,

Makinithell
lvl 80 DPS DK

Комментарий от koa999

There is also the fact that since all of these rune's work by percentages, they wouldn't always be better than an enchant you could get.(at lower level)

Комментарий от Noobta

This is false, it still says level is too low.

Комментарий от mjblink

The buff that Rune of the Fallen Crusader gives is called Unholy Strength.

I cannot believe no one has expressly stated this yet.

Комментарий от Solkatti

This rune is badass. For my dk it is better than berserking considering everytime it procs i get about 550ap. And *!@# its free.

Комментарий от frillydoom

You should use a 2h weapon for tanking with the stoneskin rune on it.

Комментарий от Bestshot

As of patch 3.2.2 ,you can't put runeforges on fishing poles >.< Just tried on my DK and said it wasn't a valid target

Комментарий от frmorrison

3.3 Brings one more Rune forge, 13 Defense and 1% stamina (1H hand only)

Комментарий от merc

The name of the buff that results from this proc is Unholy Strength:

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53365

Useful if you have some kind of mod that alerts you on certain procs/buffs.

Комментарий от Glahmgold

Edited for accuracy, my numbers were too low. Anyways, DK tanks should use swordshattering.

In fairness, above is a 3.0.3 comment, before Rune of Nerubian Carapace etc. Once over 540 defense, though, consider dps runes for +threat. For ICC etc. you're going to need ways to buff your threat and this rune is an excellent option for all tanks, particularly Blood. The heal is nice, but this rune is good due to +Str = +AP = +threat for all attacks. Also it scales with your gear progression nicely, in particular your amor.

(See also Razorice for combining with an OH if DW-Frost tanking).

PS Good for PVP as well.

Комментарий от Glahmgold

I think what you mean to say is, that he will want all the expertise he can get, to supress the mob's ability to parry his attacks - and that a lack of expertise value is a bigger problem when dual weilding because the additional weapon swings provides the mob with more chances to roll a 'parry haste'. The amount of parry or dodge on the tank does not affect this mechanic. It is expertise. Interestingly enough though, there is a balance, since the number of swings a mob has, increases the tank's rolls per minute for a dodge or parry, permitting more opportunity to proc a Rune Strike for +threat. But that isn't very relevant. You shouldn't be trying to proc a parry haste to make Rune Strikes. You're gonna get beat up enough as it is. And, you need expertise to optimize your attacks so that every chance you have to generate threat is not wasted.

Комментарий от ninjazlife

just tried it out on a offhand weapon total weapon speed at 1.04 the buff was up 75% of the time. This is an excellent buff for frost dps imo

Комментарий от Ymirjarik

Would the 15% strength proc be accumulative if there's ever an increase in strength from other gear bonus's/trinkets etc?

Комментарий от chop360

Comparison to other enchants for a character with 1500 strength:

Rune of the Fallen Crusader - Increases attack power by 450 for 15 seconds at ~1 ppm
- 463.5 with Ravenous Dead
- 477 with Veteran of the Third War
- 490.5 with both
- (Also heals you for 3% of your maximum health)

Enchant Weapon - Berserking - Increases attack power by 400 for 15 seconds at ~1.698 ppm
- (Also decreases armor by 5%)

Enchant 2H Weapon - Massacre - Increases attack power by 110 all the time

Enchant 2H Weapon - Scourgebane - Increases attack power by 140 all the time against undead

(Edit: Added proc rates)
(Edit 2: Figures are for level 80)
(Edit 3: Figures may be rounded up)

Комментарий от eXplague

Requires level 70 - NOT 40...

Комментарий от elitearthas

In WotLK

Well frankly it depends on who you are up against and how your gear fairs against them or what you need.

If against a caster, Stonegargoyle wins hands down cuz of 1% miss and 2% Sta.
Tho Fallen hero does heal you quite abit and gives more STR for more threat.
Swordshattering might help if they melee a little, depends on the target.

If vs melee, Swordshattering provides 4% parry/avoidance (which helps proc RS and hastens attack too).
Stonegargoyle does give 3% avoidance and 2% Sta.
Fallen hero does heal you quite abit and gives more STR for more threat. But if they hit HARD, the heals (when effective)(RNG) will be very much appreciated by the healers but it is unreliable.

So if you have only 1 tanking weapon, Stonegargoyle is KING.
Swordshattering is if you have a 2nd tanking weapon.
Fallen Hero is for shiz and giggles (or dps esp during heroics or non-tanking phases).

In Cata

Im rather torn between Fallen Hero, Swordshattering then Stonegargoyle.
1) Parry scales with STR
2) Forced Deflection scales with STR
3) 3% hp heals are significant
4) AP scales with STR

The Value of Armour is an issue to me since i have next to no data on that atm.

Комментарий от Mbowling

4.0.1

Runeforging does works on BoA now.

Since when did the blizzard patch writers work for mexico?

"Does works"
Also, I'm Pretty Sure it doesn't. No, I'm Postive.

Комментарий от Mbowling

Fishing poles aren't Considered Weapons.

Комментарий от Mbowling

A Frost DW should never have a 1.50 Wep (Considering you said the wep speed was 1.04, You have alot of haste).

Комментарий от renork

This now can be applied to the BoA Heirlooms.

Комментарий от Bloodybob

Shenanigans, one death knight per server.

Комментарий от Cattlehunter

The impression given by comments so far do not adequately portray this enchant's awesomeness. During normal blood spam on 3 target dummies (not an unreasonable amount, considering how every instance is an aoe fest all day every day) it procced 49 times in 5 minutes, or about 10 times per minute. The buff effectively has 100% uptime on trash packs (after the first proc, anyway), and heals for a lot.

It is far superior to the alternatives, even for tanking (the bonus strength gives more parry too, for me it's 1.5%), up to and including heroic 5 mans.

Probably not for raids, though.

Комментарий от Emberblood

I am currently leveling a Death Knight, ALREADY AT LEVEL 55 :-)

3 questions

1 can you have two of the same runes when duel wielding

2 (if 1 is a yes) Does the proc chance of FC (Fallen Crusader) double when duel wielding with both

3 How often does FC usually proc if only on MH

Комментарий от Aderae

The Death Knight taunt actually can proc this. I combined it into a macro with my obliterate, since it doesn't apply to the GCD, and it sometimes gives me the proc in PvP when my obliterate didn't!

Комментарий от DarkLupine

If my math is correct, this only has about a 6% chance of occurring on a weapon with a speed of 3.6.
Some people claimed it has around 1ppm:
60/3.6 = 16.67; This is how many times it hits in a minute.
1/16.67 = 0.06; 1 out of 16.67, the proc rate, is equal to 6%.

The bonus should theoretically be up about 1/4 of the time because of the duration (but is actually much less reliable than that), averaging out to around 3.75% strength.
60/15 = 4; It's up for an average of 15 seconds every minute (1 proc), which is 1/4 of the time.
15/4 = 3.75; The bonus strength is up 1/4 of the time on average, which averages out to a bonus of 3.75%

The up time is actually increased further though by special attacks and haste.
A fair estimate of special attacks per minute would be around 30, and an average amount of melee haste might be about 25%.
The haste increases the auto-attacks per minute to about 20.8375. Adding on the special attacks, that's 50.8375 attacks per minute. This averages about 3 procs per minute now.
Ignoring inevitable overlap, that would be an average up time of about 75% (15x3 = 45/60 = 0.75), with an average strength bonus of 11.25% (15x0.75).

In PvP, you could estimate that perhaps 25% of your possible auto-attacks will actually connect, and you might get 75% of your special attacks off per minute.
Rounding up heavily to be more fair, this would be about 6 auto attacks per minute, and about 23 special attacks.
This would be about 1.74 procs in a minute, with an average up time of 26.1 seconds, or 43.5%.
This would be an average strength of 6.525%.

This is pretty much always the best rune for Frost or Unholy under any circumstance, because the morons balanced it against the other runes in the absence of haste, or even special attacks, and did not give it an ICD.

Комментарий от novicracker

Ok well Im wondering why there isnt a clickable spell called Unholy Strength for this Runeforge? The Proc on this Rune happens alot and the spell name for the Proc is Unholly Strength so yeah. Im just wondering.

Комментарий от Damith

If I'm a frost dk, would this on my off-hand weapon and Обвал on my main hand weapon, be good, or would it be better vice-versa?

Комментарий от Eowil

As far as I can see no-one has informed about this yet: This effect can actually crit-heal you, making it heal for 6% instead of 3%.

Комментарий от Minigunner

The top geared BLOOD death knight in the world right now is using this to tank with. I am assuming because the strength proc gives parry for Riposte and Scent of Blood. I am curious to know if the strength gain makes it worth having this enchant over swordshattering or stoneskin gargoyle? (I mean the dude obviously knows what hes doing... right?)

Комментарий от KilledByVen

For those of you creating a new death knight with access to one already (New server, different faction, etc), you can get around the minimum level requirement for this enchant by utilising heirlooms! Pop it on a sword (My recommendation is Иссеченный в бою молотящий клинок for double heal proc (As this weapon will double anything that causes the on hit effect to proc, abilities and enchants) to assist with rapid leveling or Twinking!

Комментарий от frmorrison

While this is a dps enchant, it is the best enchant for tanking Blood DKs because the strength on Fallen Crusader is great for DS healing is based on attack power. Also, more strength gives more parry.

Комментарий от heartlessnobody

Cool in legion it heals for 6% and 25% strength for 15sec for all specs

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